Recent 2009s

Thanks for the update, Rahsaan. Many of those wines now slumber in my own cellar, so the information is much appreciated. I agree about the Pepiere and bigger fish, too. '09 might be the exception, though, given how large framed the Pepiere normale is (2nd bottling, that is).

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

in 2001 they purchased land in morgon in cote du py and roche noir. i believe these are blended into one wine simply labeled morgon. this was the first time i have seen this wine. price point is below $20.
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Per a retailer friend who tasted the 2009, and the Kobrand website, there is a Cote du Py bottling of Morgon from Jadot. It's in the $30s though, and would have to be some wine to be worth the upcharge over other producers IMO.
 
Cote du Py bottling of Morgon from Jadot. It's in the $30s though, and would have to be some wine to be worth the upcharge over other producers IMO.
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Isn't Foillard CdP also in the $30s?
 
When I expressed reluctance to pay more than $30 for Beaujolais last year, Joe Dougherty was all over me. What is this, favoritism?

How does one distinguish Pepiere's first from second bottlings? Closure?
 
Only because I confessed to being stuck 10-15 yrs ago in terms of what seems appropriate for some basic categories, price-wise.
 
originally posted by Cliff:
It is getting close for me, but he's the best producer in my favorite of the Crus...
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I agree. I admit to some sticker shock but I still think the wines deliver plenty of pleasure for the money. One has to think this way if one is even moderately interested in Burgundy.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
One has to think this way if one is even moderately interested in Burgundy.
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is this last statement referring to the prices or stylistic similarities?
 
I don't deny the quality of Foillard's wine, but I get plenty of pleasure from Brun, Coudert, Bugaud etc, so I don't need to spend $30+. If I had to spend $30 to get quality Beaujolais I would, as I love the category. I never used to pay more than $30 for top-quality auslese, but since virtually the whole category is above that line I now do so.
 
Unfortunately for me, I think Foillard is priced appropriately. So I'm still a buyer; I just buy less Foillard than Coudert, which works out in the end. I have seen the late horse transform itself but not (yet) Foillard's Py
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
One has to think this way if one is even moderately interested in Burgundy.
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is this last statement referring to the prices or stylistic similarities?
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The notion that price and value is not just about whether pleasure can be had more cheaply.

Sometimes we pay more for different kinds of pleasure, or just for different tastes. And if we just wanted the cheapest way to drink good wine we might never get around to Burgundy.

Of course this is all about personal decisions so David is not wrong and I am not wrong. But I will say that for my tastes Brun and Coudert are not relevant replacements for Foillard, because of the stylistic expression. The only people who could potentially replace my love of that ethereal Foillard beauty would be Thevenet or Lapierre, but right now Foillard edges them out in my book.
 
Stylistically I think of Foillard and Fourrier together. I'm still buying both, but less than I was and more of the former than the latter.
 
Interesting association. Jadot's Beaujolais are the only ones I can relate even approximately to Pinot-Noir-based Burgundy. But I've only tasted Fourrier once, and then just in passing.

Does Foillard shut down? TG might be the right time to crack another magnum.
 
It can definitely go through some weird phases, especially early on. I don't know about shutting down.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by Rahsaan:
One has to think this way if one is even moderately interested in Burgundy.
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is this last statement referring to the prices or stylistic similarities?
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The notion that price and value is not just about whether pleasure can be had more cheaply.

Sometimes we pay more for different kinds of pleasure, or just for different tastes. And if we just wanted the cheapest way to drink good wine we might never get around to Burgundy.

Of course this is all about personal decisions so David is not wrong and I am not wrong. But I will say that for my tastes Brun and Coudert are not relevant replacements for Foillard, because of the stylistic expression. The only people who could potentially replace my love of that ethereal Foillard beauty would be Thevenet or Lapierre, but right now Foillard edges them out in my book.
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Sorry, I had missed the point entirely. You were speaking of the "model" of Burgundy, and what drives someone to spend X rather than Y bucks on a bottle.

I adore good Beaujolais, but I am not there yet. The fact that you are is a great tribute to the region though.

Which is not to say that I don't have my own reasons for spending an extra $10 on a bottle of Beaujolais, but mine are much more mundane than yours; more of the "what will I get out of this bottle in 8 years vs. what I will get out of that one in 3" nature.
 
Which of course raises the point of why one buys Beaujolais. I tend to drink virtually all of it on the young side, as that is how I like it (and I am aging enough other stuff - have to actually drink something). This also makes the spending of an extra $10 less important. YMMV.
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
Which of course raises the point of why one buys Beaujolais. I tend to drink virtually all of it on the young side, as that is how I like it (and I am aging enough other stuff - have to actually drink something). This also makes the spending of an extra $10 less important. YMMV.
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For my part, I buy Beaujolais for two reasons. The first is to serve with food that is too delicate for even lighter Burgundies. The second is get Pinot-like wines on the cheap in comparison what the Real Stuff costs. Having been treated to a 1973 Fleurie in 2001 that was confoundingly similar to an aged Cote D'Or red I am now a believer in the value of aging the more structured (and ageworthy) Cru Beaujolais. YMMV of course. Neither of those concerns, however, is consistent with paying $30 or more for a bottle of Cru Beaujolais, so there we agree.

Mark Lipton
 
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