Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
I can bring Vieux Donjon mags, '99-01. Plus a couple of other stragglers.
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TN: Some Rhones Tasted Recently
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I can bring Vieux Donjon mags, '99-01. Plus a couple of other stragglers.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Strangely enough, he claims to like the Usseglio. Perhaps due to the large dollop of mourvedre.originally posted by Thor:
Make sure you invite Jay Miller. This sounds like his sort of event.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Strangely enough, he claims to like the Usseglio. Perhaps due to the large dollop of mourvedre.originally posted by Thor:
Make sure you invite Jay Miller. This sounds like his sort of event.
I thought he only liked the 03 Aieul, which Parker also liked a lot.
I think we should also make Keith Levenberg come.
Sasha,
I don't buy that many pure grenaches. Rayas is too expensive and the rest tend to be new styled special cuvees. Usseglio's Mon Aieul is very nearly 100% grenache that year I think. But given that CdPs that I like tend to run between 75% and 90% grenache, and don't have high syrah content (I underline "tend" here), I don't think mixed cepages will be that different. If you have liked 03s you have tasted, and if you stay away from the horrorshow wines, you'll probably like others.
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Jonathan,
An example of the style I found most effective in 03 would be something like CdR from Monpertuis, which was (???) nearly all Grenache.
An example of the style I found most effective in 03 would be something like CdR from Monpertuis, which was (???) nearly all Grenache.
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I don't buy that many pure grenaches. Rayas is too expensive and the rest tend to be new styled special cuvees. Usseglio's Mon Aieul is very nearly 100% grenache that year I think. But given that CdPs that I like tend to run between 75% and 90% grenache, and don't have high syrah content (I underline "tend" here), I don't think mixed cepages will be that different. If you have liked 03s you have tasted, and if you stay away from the horrorshow wines, you'll probably like others.
Prof,
What about the Bruniers' "Telegramme" bottling? That's a 100% Grenache cuve, no?
Mark Lipton
Keith Levenberg
Keith Levenberg
No Chateauneuf megatastings for me. I'm happy with Bandol when the mood strikes for something southern.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I don't buy that many pure grenaches. Rayas is too expensive and the rest tend to be new styled special cuvees. Usseglio's Mon Aieul is very nearly 100% grenache that year I think. But given that CdPs that I like tend to run between 75% and 90% grenache, and don't have high syrah content (I underline "tend" here), I don't think mixed cepages will be that different. If you have liked 03s you have tasted, and if you stay away from the horrorshow wines, you'll probably like others.
Prof,
What about the Bruniers' "Telegramme" bottling? That's a 100% Grenache cuve, no?
Mark Lipton
Their web page says its predominantly grenache, but not 100%. I had understood it to be mostly the same blend and elevage as La Crau but young vines. But the young vines may have more grenache. In any case, not 100%. I've never tasted it. Is it like the La Crau, a wine I like a lot.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
No Chateauneuf megatastings for me. I'm happy with Bandol when the mood strikes for something southern.
Mostly, I just want to use up my residual holdings.
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Prof,
What about the Bruniers' "Telegramme" bottling? That's a 100% Grenache cuve, no?
Mark Lipton
Their web page says its predominantly grenache, but not 100%. I had understood it to be mostly the same blend and elevage as La Crau but young vines. But the young vines may have more grenache. In any case, not 100%. I've never tasted it. Is it like the La Crau, a wine I like a lot.
Aha! My impression was probably an incorrect assumption based on my one encounter (with the '02 Telegramme). In that disastrous year, I believe that they declassified all of the Syrah and Mourvedre, leaving only Grenache for the cuve, which is why they changed the name.
Mark Lipton
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Who is the arbiter of nobility?
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Who is the arbiter of nobility?
Jancis, of course!
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by MarkS:
C'mon, why you all down on grenache? It is a noble variety, despite the way most disorderists feel about it. Give it some love.
It's a fine blending grape. In moderation.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by MarkS:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Who is the arbiter of nobility?
Jancis, of course!
I'm a fan, but might have to dispute her competence in this specific regard, or at least up-to-dateness, based on the exclusion of such varieties as Gamay and Muscadet.
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
I thought I was the only non-Parkerite who liked 03 CdP. They have aged as one might have expected. No one who didn't like them young will like them now. Those who did like them young will feel reaffirmed. As long as we aren't talking Vieux Donjon or Clos des Papes, I've found them fun and Pegau and Charvin to be very nice indeed.
If a recent btl of '03 Pegau is representative, fans of prune juice will be happy with the progress.
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
My thoughts:
1. 2003 is not a vintage I enjoy drinking...I'm shocked to see I actually have more than 5 bottles of this vintage in my cellar...A distinctive or transparent wine from 2003 is an anomaly.
2. The majority of CDP is too high in alcohol and manipulated for me.
3. The value...that once existed in the region...is now mostly lost.
4. I can't think of a tasting I'm more happy to miss. :)
Posting on this forum about CDP is kinda like posting on another unspeakable forum about Cru Beaujolais, Muscadet, orange wines, Houillon, ...
1. 2003 is not a vintage I enjoy drinking...I'm shocked to see I actually have more than 5 bottles of this vintage in my cellar...A distinctive or transparent wine from 2003 is an anomaly.
2. The majority of CDP is too high in alcohol and manipulated for me.
3. The value...that once existed in the region...is now mostly lost.
4. I can't think of a tasting I'm more happy to miss. :)
Posting on this forum about CDP is kinda like posting on another unspeakable forum about Cru Beaujolais, Muscadet, orange wines, Houillon, ...
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
originally posted by Mark Davis:
My thoughts:
1. 2003 is not a vintage I enjoy drinking...I'm shocked to see I actually have more than 5 bottles of this vintage in my cellar...A distinctive or transparent wine from 2003 is an anomaly.
2. The majority of CDP is too high in alcohol and manipulated for me.
3. The value...that once existed in the region...is now mostly lost.
4. I can't think of a tasting I'm more happy to miss. :)
Posting on this forum about CDP is kinda like posting on another unspeakable forum about Cru Beaujolais, Muscadet, orange wines, Houillon, ...
There's more spoofing going on in other areas, which is not to say that CdP doesn't have it's fair share. High in alcohol is another story.
Liking CdP and continuing to post on it on this board is an exercise in ornoriness. Ornoriness is the essence of this board.
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Liking CdP and continuing to post on it on this board is an exercise in ornoriness. Ornoriness is the essence of this board.
In defense of the denizens herein, I have to say that my professed enjoyment of Grenache-based wines has never given rise to the least bit of personal attacks, animosity or derision. People have expressed their dislike for those wines, often quite forcefuly, but never without civility. YMMV, of course.
Let a thousand multicepage wines bloom!
Mark Lipton