T. Matthews: blog post on Marcel

This line struck me:

"I suspect he feels that much of the praise now being lavished on Lapierre is a veiled attack on him"

Maybe Matthews feels that anytime someone compliments another wine writer it's a veiled attack on him?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
He retains his touching faith in critics.

" I don't know his wines well, either. Based on our reviews, I can tell they were exemplary, too."
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That struck me, as well. Can one say such a thing in earnest?

I guess we Disorderlies travel in realms of skepticism and irony unknown to Mr. Matthews.
 
i believe i remember reading a piece stating that lapierre respected duboeuf for what he was doing and had done in beaujolais. if i remember correctly, the argument went something like this:

'we (lapierre) make wine that we like to drink on a relatively small scale for people who have the taste and money to buy it. what we do would be impossible on the massive scale of a duboeuf, but what he does is perfectly suited to his size and market.'

i am not in the custom of carrying water for duboeuf, but this seems to me a fair and balanced (tm fox news) position.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
i believe i remember reading a piece stating that lapierre respected duboeuf for what he was doing and had done in beaujolais. if i remember correctly, the argument went something like this:

'we (lapierre) make wine that we like to drink on a relatively small scale for people who have the taste and money to buy it. what we do would be impossible on the massive scale of a duboeuf, but what he does is perfectly suited to his size and market.'

i am not in the custom of carrying water for duboeuf, but this seems to me a fair and balanced (tm fox news) position.
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As I just re-read the incredible piece on Beaujolais in the Art of Eating a couple days ago, I think it was in there that you remember that from. Speaking of which, maybe someone could send Matthews a copy of that issue so he can start to have some understanding of that region and it's producers (other than Duboeuf) before he starts spouting schlocky commentary based on...
 
Well that post from the Matthews guy, whoever he is, certainly deserved a sound thrashing, which it certainly got.

But about that:

"There are stars in the world, leading men and women, ones that make a difference. You can smell them, see them vibrate "
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..."You can smell them, see them vibrate"??? Are you kidding me?

Ok, it's not like I've exactly avoided purple prose my entire adult life, but isn't sufficient to treat wine makers we admire as something reality-based, like, say, honest farmers or vignerons, and not as magical otherworldly sprites selling bottles of ethical faerie juice?
 
..."You can smell them, see them vibrate"??? Are you kidding me?

Not everyone can be a talented writer. Some suffer and have to spoof up their work with purple prose. I agree, it is not a pretty sight.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
..."You can smell them, see them vibrate"??? Are you kidding me?

Not everyone can be a talented writer. Some suffer and have to spoof up their work with purple prose. I agree, it is not a pretty sight.
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It's a good thing you and I would never resort to hyperbole or purple prose.
 
Hyperbole and purple prose are the crutches of the crippled writer.

Speaking of writers, doesn't anyone find it strange that Mr. Matthews has not responded to the criticisms of him on this board? We're just a fringe group, I guess.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Hyperbole and purple prose are the crutches of the crippled writer.

Speaking of writers, doesn't anyone find it strange that Mr. Matthews has not responded to the criticisms of him on this board? We're just a fringe group, I guess.
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Wasn't his response via twitter?
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:

Speaking of writers, doesn't anyone find it strange that Mr. Matthews has not responded to the criticisms of him on this board? We're just a fringe group, I guess.
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I am guessing that if you are a wine writer who has generally missed the wines of M. Lapierre that you certainly might have overlooked this tiny corner of the wine internet.
 
originally posted by Bwood:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:

Speaking of writers, doesn't anyone find it strange that Mr. Matthews has not responded to the criticisms of him on this board? We're just a fringe group, I guess.
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I am guessing that if you are a wine writer who has generally missed the wines of M. Lapierre that you certainly might have overlooked this tiny corner of the wine internet.
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More likely, he actively avoids contact with the "wine Taliban" and "anti-flavor wine elite" for fear of guilt by association (or infection).

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
..."You can smell them, see them vibrate"??? Are you kidding me?

Not everyone can be a talented writer. Some suffer and have to spoof up their work with purple prose. I agree, it is not a pretty sight.
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Isn't it Alice in her blog who wrote this?

Alice's piece on Lapierre

Like everyone I'm scratching my head why Duboeuf is mentioned when you talk about Lapierre death and legacy. But at least Mr Matthews did not pretend to drink Marcel's wines every week jusut to be cool and was honest...

But again, I'm not sure why everybody is really surprised. It's not like WS has been supporting natural wines and people like Lapierre.
 
Wait a second....

Are you accusing Alice Feiring of purple prose and hyperbole?

I don't see why you would be using the death of Marcel Lapierre to turn this into a discussion of Alice Feiring's writing style.

First there is Thomas Matthews using Marcel Lapierre's death to attack Feiring and Eric Asimov in the name of Georges Duboeuf.

Now, Arno Tronche has made his move!

Don't these people have any restraint or dignity?
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
Wait a second....

Are you accusing Alice Feiring of purple prose and hyperbole?

I don't see why you would be using the death of Marcel Lapierre to turn this into a discussion of Alice Feiring's writing style.

First there is Thomas Matthews using Marcel Lapierre's death to attack Feiring and Eric Asimov in the name of Georges Duboeuf.

Now, Arno Tronche has made his move!

Don't these people have any restraint or dignity?
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Huh?
I was just pointing out that the sentence YOU described as a prose/hyperbole was from Alice's blog. Nothing more. Sorry if I offended anyone.

I don't have any issue all with the way Alice writes.

And for the sake of clarity, I'm not attacking anyone! I did not like Matthews piece but I just said that this was not really surprising from WS.
So please don't make any false accusation while mentioning my name.
 
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