Congratulations

Thor

Thor Iverson
Some current, some overdue.

The latter: to occasional Disorderly "David from Switzerland" (his last name is actually Trump; don't let him fool you) for being the European Seniors 8-ball champion.

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The current: to Seth Hill for successfully creating another Hill. Were I Coad-baiting, this would be another great opportunity for a Kate Bush (14) reference, but I'll leave it be for this thread.
 
I wonder how many bottles of CSH it takes to fill up that trophy.
About 5% of his Hors Choix collection, more or less. (there aren't enough emoticons in the world...)
 
originally posted by Mark Davis:
8-ball?

...9-ball is the real game.

:-)

Important use of an emoticon, Mark. Although I am fully in agreement with the sentiment (as is most of the competitive billiards-playing world), those internecine billiards arguments are to be avoided, sectarian violence being rarely an enjoyable spectacle.

Mark Lipton
 
I await the champion's participation, but I believe he'd not only agree, but say that 8-ball isn't usually his best game. 9-ball or straight pool, right David?
 
THANKS Thor, thanks everyone!

As to filling that trophy with CSH (Rainer suggested 1990, and his assistance in draining it), the lid won't come off... Needless to say, I own way too little of the Hors Choix (seriously!), no idea what Thor is talking about, I'm absolutely positive Pierre must have been thinking of some other David from Switzerland! (chuckle...)

As to 8-Ball versus 9-Ball, 10-Ball and Straight Pool (= 14.1 Continuous):

Straight Pool is the traditional connoisseur's game, and from that perspective, my favourite along with One Pocket and Rotation (all knowledge coupled to execution, virtually no luck factor whatsoever).

8-Ball is probably my best game - it's the first pool game I learnt as a teenager, one I have a unique love-hate relationship with, being the perfectionist weirdo I happen to be (basically, I believe one can only f**k up in 8-Ball, which is why I never play any other than in competition). But I really love all pool games, and have no doubt won more 9-Ball tournaments than any other discipline, for the simple reason that at least nine out of ten tournaments anywhere on the planet in the last twenty years were 9-Ball. Statistically, 8-Ball remains the most popular game (it's what people shoot on a Friday night at the pub and wherever there is a coin-operated bar table, remember, and as far as I know, it's what the Budweiser-, Coors- and whatnot-sponsored amateur leagues in the U.S. and Canada play - e.g. 250'000 APA, that is American Poolplayers Association players, among other) - having said that, there are very few professional 8-Ball tournaments (other than the World Championship, not sure there are any left?).

The rotational pool games (in which balls must be played in rotation, that is, by the numbers), with the exception of Rotation itself (which I love - all 15 numbered balls count as point value), have the serious disadvantage of coming across as "games" rather than sport - no wonder given 89% of the balls pocketed in 9-Ball are without value as far as the outcome of a game or match is concerned. 10-Ball is becoming the game of choice via the Philippines (the new Mecca of pocket billiards) now because there, it's call-shot, thus eliminating the luck factor in 9-Ball (plus the break shot in 10-Ball is much tougher, so there are fewer run-outs from the break, and stringing together of racks is comparatively rare - I have yet to hear of a perfect match in 10-Ball, that is, run out in one inning from the lag without the opponent getting to play a single shot).

In short, there are pool games in which one has to beat one's opponent ball for ball (= literally outperform him/her, as in virtually any other sport, as one needs to pocket more balls than one's opponent in order to win in e.g. Straight Pool, One Pocket and 8-Ball), and thus these games seem more "serious", and are perhaps more gratifying from an expert's perspective - and some will say, they're the ones that deserve to be referred to as a "sport" (a narrow-minded view with which I disagree: all, in particular professional, billiards is by definition about knowledge, experience, performance, physical fitness, stamina, concentration and psychological strength etc.).

Having said all this, it's the approachability/simplicity (the patterns speak for themselves, no need for a telly commentator to figure out what to do next, definitely no intellectual's game) coupled to that volatile quality of 9-Ball (possible albeit unlikely to win by scoring a mere 11% of the points - what other "sport" can top that? LOL!) that makes it so much fun (and attractive to watch). Like it or not, it's what we pool players play most often (the above expert's games being deemed "boring" by all except, well, the experts...), even if it may now gradually be superseded by 10-Ball (huge difference: a whopping 10% of balls pocketed will suffice to score a win!).

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
OK, so I've conflicting stories on your skill with 8-ball. I'll let the two of you sort it out.

I own way too little of the Hors Choix
Everybody owns way too little of the Hors Choix. The question is whether or not Trimbach does. (emoticon goes here)
 
David from Switzerland has just made me seem pithy.

-Eden (congrats to David, although your visage is so youthful I don't know how you got into the Seniors division but perhaps you are old enough to have dated Kate Bush)
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
PAGING LOU KESSLER:

David from Switzerland has just made me seem pithy.

-Eden (congrats to David, although your visage is so youthful I don't know how you got into the Seniors division but perhaps you are old enough to have dated Kate Bush)
You know, as I was reading the post, my first guess was EML, but I was dissuaded as it went along.
 
David,
Congratulations on the win!.

If you are ever in the Portland, Oregon area...you'll have to stop by...I'm having RKC deliver/install a 9-ft Pro-Am w/pro-cut pockets any day now -- I think he's shooting video for simonis cloth in a few days...the table will have the new rail angles -- it will play like a gold crown with the build of a Diamond...supposedly. Perhaps you can give me a lesson or two?? We'll drink disorderly wine.

Re: 8 vs. 9 -- of course, the :-) was there for a reason...Interesting perspective on game vs. sport. When I play, it's at best a game :) I've always thought that english was a bigger factor in 9-ball...and thus the feeling that it was a game that is more about precision and cueball control than 8-ball...where you can usually come up with a shot even if you have no idea what squirt and swerve are.

-mark
 
originally posted by Mark Davis:
David,
Congratulations on the win!.

If you are ever in the Portland, Oregon area...you'll have to stop by...I'm having RKC deliver/install a 9-ft Pro-Am w/pro-cut pockets any day now -- I think he's shooting video for simonis cloth in a few days...the table will have the new rail angles -- it will play like a gold crown with the build of a Diamond...supposedly. Perhaps you can give me a lesson or two?? We'll drink disorderly wine.

Re: 8 vs. 9 -- of course, the :-) was there for a reason...Interesting perspective on game vs. sport. When I play, it's at best a game :) I've always thought that english was a bigger factor in 9-ball...and thus the feeling that it was a game that is more about precision and cueball control than 8-ball...where you can usually come up with a shot even if you have no idea what squirt and swerve are.

-mark

Great idea, play pool and drink fine wine is what we sometimes do at the local pool hall, too. Portland, I'm coming! ;^)

As to the use of spin/English, the problem is that it makes pocketing certain shots more difficult (throw and curve effects on the cue ball) - in any game. 9-Ball, in terms of position play, is really easiest because the pattern play is (almost) self-explanatory (go from one number to the next), there's space enough to go about it in little groups of three (pocket ball A playing cue ball position onto the right/good/natural side of ball B so it's easy to get to ball C from there etc. - all short term planning, so to speak), and there's always the option of playing safe if one runs out of position (which in some games is virtually impossible against serious competition) - i.e. one isn't automatically dead if one makes a mistake. In 8-Ball, as in Straight Pool and One Pocket, being on the right side of the next ball alone won't do: angles need to be perfect (i.e. flat, ideally straighter than 30 degrees yet rarely ever dead straight) and distances kept short, as one cannot ever miss and get away with it. At the European 8-Ball Championship, of all the games in which I missed a ball (luckily, not many), I got just one back! (That's why I said earlier, 8-Ball makes one feel like as if one could always only f**k up.) In other words, in 8-Ball, position play may look easier (and as long as one doesn't need to manufacture a pattern, i.e. open up clusters etc., it is simple in the sense of feasible) but needs to be picture-perfect all the time because: "you miss, you lose!"

Greetings from Switzerland, David.
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J'ai gch vingt ans de mes plus belles annes au billard. Si c'tait refaire, je recommencerais. Roger Conti
 
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