You know, there's no one perfect process. Somewhere, something has to be traded in pursuit of a goal. And this is especially true when the subject is wine stability. There are lots of ways to achieve it (or to decide that one doesn't care), but every one of them means that something that's important or crucial to another winemaker or wine drinker must be abandoned. You can be sure that, for every technique (or lack thereof) in the stabilization portfolio, there's someone who thinks it's fundamentally deformative.
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Loire Trip II/IV
- Thread starter Oswaldo Costa
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Arno Tronche
Arnaud Tronche
I agree with you Thor. It's always a compromise. I was just wondering if there was any other reasons, beside protection, like making a wine accessible younger, softer etc...
It is certainly not easy so I'm not judging. Just asking!
It is certainly not easy so I'm not judging. Just asking!
Guilhaume gerard
Guilhaume gerard
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
... Pascale mentioned that massale planting is forbidden in the Chinon AOC. I was sure I couldn’t have understood this correctly, so made her repeat it several times to avoid relaying an egregious untruth.
[...]
All Baudry vines are selection massale.
Hmm...
It is very common in Chinon to use marcottage to replace dead vines.
Guilhaume gerard
Guilhaume gerard
originally posted by Arno Tronche:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Arno Tronche:
Why is carbonic maceration so popular among natural winemakers? Is there a specific reason behind it?
CO2 protects the wine from oxidation without having to use sulfur.
Thanks VLM. But is there anything beside that? It does protect the wine but it also has a huge impact on the texture and profile of the wine itself and as you and others mentioned, it's not the best way to express the terroir.
Lots of people think it's the best way to make a young, gulpable wine.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Yixin:
Dude, no new oak on the Damien Laureau Les Genêts. It smells oaky, but the texture is non-woody. I like the wines a lot. His oat farming is impeccable.
Did you visit?
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Yixin:
Dude, no new oak on the Damien Laureau Les Genêts. It smells oaky, but the texture is non-woody. I like the wines a lot. His oat farming is impeccable.
Did you visit?
Yes, and I import the wines.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Yixin:
Dude, no new oak on the Damien Laureau Les Genêts. It smells oaky, but the texture is non-woody. I like the wines a lot. His oat farming is impeccable.
Did you visit?
Yes, and I import the wines.
In that case, and since I only tasted one bottle, I would have to defer to your direct experience, but it sure didn't taste like the vanilla that one sometimes finds in much older chenin or chardonnay that never saw new oak.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Yixin:
I import the wines.
Today is his birthday, so don't neglect to send him a note.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Joe, was there any sign of Antoine Foucault/Collier?
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
2009 Granges was on the plump side two nights ago, finishing slightly bitter, with enough leather to caparison a posse of Angels. Food made it juicy and pleasurable, though it could still use a touch of limestone.
2010 Grézeaux last night was racy and pure, a true garden of delights.
2010 Grézeaux last night was racy and pure, a true garden of delights.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Hey, O, are you still south, or now in Braga?
hashtag lunarcycles or something
hashtag lunarcycles or something
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Still in São Paulo, flying back to Braga "for good" in a week. #fullmoonlooksstunning.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by BJ:
How did this thread get bumped? Did we get hacked?
No, 'twas my bad, first I tried to call Mark Lipton's attention to something in it, then decided to cut and paste onto another thread. Once bumped, the past cannot be umbumped.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
originally posted by BJ:
Aha.
Awesome thread though. I was nice to see again, I actually remembered it from the first time around.
We are actually considering going there for a week in June...thinking about either Loire, Chablis, Alsace, or Rhone...
I know, tough choices.
Unsolicited thought -- unless the place has really livened up, spending a week in Chablis would be pretty boring. Not as much there as in the Loire, Alsace, or the Rhone (which has Lyon nearby).