Pavel Tchichikov
Pavel Tchichikov
True, although Aube-Chablis-Sancerre is a nice tour. Or Chablis-Vezelay-Sancerre.
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True, although Aube-Chablis-Sancerre is a nice tour. Or Chablis-Vezelay-Sancerre.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
You should consider going before June 15 or after Aug. 15. High summer in the Rhone at least is now blisteringly hot (over 100 for days at a time) and AC is still far from universal. Although there is no guarantee that it won't be hot before or after those dates, they are a good approximation of the beginning and end of the worst of the heat.
These are all excellent thoughts.
We have spent multiple weeks in all these areas previously, except Alsace, which we've never been to.
We actually love hanging out in Chablis, in a sort of slumming it kind of Joe Average France way.
We spent a week in summer '03 in Cairanne, and it sucked. So Jonathan thanks for the reminder...
We have spent multiple weeks in all these areas previously, except Alsace, which we've never been to.
We actually love hanging out in Chablis, in a sort of slumming it kind of Joe Average France way.
We spent a week in summer '03 in Cairanne, and it sucked. So Jonathan thanks for the reminder...
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
If you go to Chablis, a stop at Christian Moreau is highly recommended (although you probably don't want to get him started on politics).
Le Bistrot de Grands Crus was a fun (casual) restaurant in Chablis.
. . . . . Pete
Le Bistrot de Grands Crus was a fun (casual) restaurant in Chablis.
. . . . . Pete
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
From your perspective or BJ's? Was he droitiste or gauchiste?
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
Christian Moreau was charming. He was also strongly opinionated and perfectly willing to "justify" his position while we were there.
Enough said.
His wines were superb and he was generous with what he served.
. . . . . . Pete
Enough said.
His wines were superb and he was generous with what he served.
. . . . . . Pete
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
From your evasive language, I take it you perceived him as gauchiste.
The French political alignments, though, are odd these days. The RN, which is described as the extreme right, is actually genuinely nationalist populism, which means they believe in socialism for white people.So, if this guy was railing against Macron's conservative financial policies, he could have been either Le Peniste or Melanchoniste. You can't tell the players without a scorecard.
Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
Do the French have this to themselves these days?
Peter Creasey
Peter Creasey
Actually, Jonathan, any assumption about Monsieur Moreau is unfair to him. He was good-natured in every respect.
"Enough said".
. . . . . . Pete
"Enough said".
. . . . . . Pete
robert ames
robert ames
meaning, "i don't know what you are talking about".
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
I didn't make any assumptions about him. I was interpreting your evasive remarks. As I said, I guess that you construed him to be a leftist, and I said that it is sometimes hard for an American, unknowledgeable about how weird French politics has been since Macron to tell who is what.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Since Pete may not have been the ideal target of a rant about the intricacies of French politics, perhaps the subject of Moreau's ire was the sitting president of the United States (which could explain Pete's coyness).
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
I meant to answer this yesterday, but the post got lost. The French situation is unique in some ways. The most obvious one is that both their center left party (the Socialists) and their center right party (the UMP, now the Republicans) essentially imploded after both Sarkozy and Hollande antagonized both their opponents and their own supporters. The effective French right wing, the FN, now the RN, is a genuinely nationalist populist party, which means that effectively they are for socialism for white people. They support the French welfare state, they just don't want Muslims to participate (ideally not Jews either, but they have tried to bury that aspect of their past to be more electable). This contrasts with US Republicans, who talk like populists but only seem to support tax cuts and entitlement cuts. The leader of the French left, Melanchon, contrasts for instance with Bernie Sanders, who believes in legislating and is willing to negotiate and compromise, in that even people on the left in France recognize that he is not interested in governing. His party's name, France Insoumise really should be translated as France says No rather than France unbowed. His legislative alliance, NUPES may change that, but not with him as its leader. Meanwhile, Macron's power is the effect of this odd situation. Everybody hates him, but they don't like their alternatives less. I don't think his party can survive him and he can't seek a third consecutive term, so it will be curious to see what will happen. In this situation, the restaurateur Pete met could have been raging against Macron's conservative cut backs of the French retirement system and have been RN. And these days, although few are as virulently racist as Le Pen, many on the left or center are markedly Islamophobe (it was Hollande's Socialist government who, absurdly, tried to ban the birkini). So a rant against Muslims might not have made him a Le Peniste. But Oswaldo may be right. All of France agred that Trump was a clown, so maybe that was what he was on about.