Excuse me, but I have to Puy

Oswaldo Costa

Oswaldo Costa
Las Monday and Tuesday, So Paulo hosted its second biodynamic wine fair, organized by the importers of Coule de Serrant in association with Renaissance des Appelations. Nicolas Joly couldnt come because of a minor stroke (from which he is recovering well), but sent his daughter, Virginie. Many participating wineries didnt show, while others sent bottles but not staff, so several stands were empty, while others were manned by fact sheet wielding employees of the various importers and wine stores involved.

I managed to get myself drafted as part of a trio serving Chateau Le Puy, a Ctes de Francs about which I had only seen a smattering of favorable mentions here. Every bottle of the two cuves I opened on both days 2005 Chateau Le Puy (regular) and the more expensive 2004 Cuve Barthlemy was either bretty or reduced, but all improved with air, and were quite tasty. All fruity and balanced, with satisfying weight and texture. Surprising, given the liver-sparing 12%. I would cast my 85% merlot pearls with the words finally, my friend, a Bordeaux for those who are tired of Bordeaux! Most didnt even know they were supposed to be tired of Bordeaux, and were being offered ennui and relief in one, easy-to-drink, package.

My favorite wine of the event was 2006 Coule de Serrant, slightly (but far from off-puttingly) oxidative, astonishingly mouth-filling, with intensity, texture and flavors. Virginie was exhausted on the second day, so I filled in for her part time, and would say to everyone "this is the most celebrated Chenin Blanc on the planet and one of the great wines of the world; if you dont love it, you should have your head examined!" Oh, the joys of being a free agent. No wonder Im not ITB.

Took no notes, so this is purely impressionistic. Avoided Nikolaihof because I could not face the two red-faced Austrians serving it in the indoor heat dressed in lederhosen. AND I TASTED THEM ALL AT CHAMBERS LAST YEAR. The Chilean star winemaker Alvaro Spinoza was serving his Antiyal reds, full of that jammy flavor I so not like. I asked him if any had to be acidified. He answered all of them. Im 100 on that for honesty. Tasted a few Pierre Frick whites, none of them Riesling or Gewurz, and found them all too sweet. Their pinot, on the other hand, was fruity and pleasant. A Comte Armand 2002 Auxey-Duresses was attractive, the 2003 less so. A 2002 Rateau Beaune 1er Cru was hopelessly reduced and bitter. The Villaine aligots were OK, I preferred the more balanced 2007 to the sweeter and riper 2009. The red cuve (not Digoine) was just OK. I enjoyed a white from Emmanuel Giboulot called La Combe dEve (2008). The Chardonnay and Trousseau from Tissot were appealing as always, but no surprise. Three Pierre Andr Chateauneufs: the 2004 nice enough, the 2006 and 2007 not as much. Preferred the deep, minerally and clean 2009 Granite from Domaine de lEcu to their 2009 Orthogneiss. Tasted Mas Estela from Catalonia because Victor had mentioned them in one of his posts. The white was 20% Muscat and quite interesting. The reds were chrome-stripping, massively tannic, 15% ball-busting Grenaches, designed for those who think southern Rhone is beer. The lovely Elisabetta Foradori was serving her wines in a forlorn corner of the fair, visited by few. To those not in the know, Teroldego Rotaliano sounds like the Rotary Club chapter of an obscure Italian town. The 2007 regular and Granato were pleasant, but had a strong lactic note. I asked her about it, and she said it was a "caratteristica dell'annata" (characteristic of the vintage). I asked if that was due to unusually high lactic acid or vanillin, and she stoically and gracefully repeated that it was a "caratteristica dellannata." The inner shrink couldnt help thinking that, if Lacan were a fly on the wall, he would have remarked, with a wink, that "caratteristica dellannata" sounds the same as "caratteristica della nata" (characteristic of the cream). But that still wouldnt give me my answer.

All-in-all, an organizational disaster and public relations non-event, but it was fun, for once, to be on the other side of the fence, telling consumers what they should be experiencing.
 
Thanks. I think the 09 Granite is a favorite of David's, too; hoping to try some soon. Speaking of Granite, and completely off-topic, have you had a chance to try Pepiere's red Granit 09?
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Avoided Nikolaihof because I could not face the two red-faced Austrians serving it in the indoor heat dressed in lederhosen.
You have to gird your loins and brave that sort of thing. Skipping Nikolaihof is almost always a mistake.
 
First of all, you wanted "'scuse me while I kiss the Puy." The pronunciation no longer works, I know, but it has a whole clean/scatological tension going on.

Second...skipping Nikolaihof seems cutting off [something] to spite one's lederhosen.
 
I think people pouring austrian wine in lederhosen must be one of those missing reasons #4 or #8.
 
Any representatives of Nikolaihof seen wearing lederhosen should be avoided as potential "Boys from Brazil" fetishists or something. You don't see much lederhosen in the Wachau, after all. Oswaldo, 15% Grenache with a wall of tannins could turn out fine in the long run, but that doesn't make it fun to taste now, I agree. It's fairly sadistic to serve that sort of wine in hot weather. And the Pierre Andr CdPs were '04, '07 and ???. Methinks a typo crept in.

Mark Lipton
 
Last year is last year. I would have gotten drunk with the lederhosen boys if I had been invited. Fucking Brazilians. Watch out in 2014.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
The lovely Elisabetta Foradori was serving her wines in a forlorn corner of the fair, visited by few. To those not in the know, Teroldego Rotaliano sounds like the Rotary Club chapter of an obscure Italian town. The 2007 regular and Granato were pleasant, but had a strong lactic note. I asked her about it, and she said it was a "caratteristica dell'annata" (characteristic of the vintage). I asked if that was due to unusually high lactic acid or vanillin, and she stoically and gracefully repeated that it was a "caratteristica dellannata." The inner shrink couldnt help thinking that, if Lacan were a fly on the wall, he would have remarked, with a wink, that "caratteristica dellannata" sounds the same as "caratteristica della nata" (characteristic of the cream). But that still wouldnt give me my answer.
As it happens Oswaldo, your mention of the Foradori Teroldego was the second time I had seen it mentioned in less the 8 hours. A few hours later, someone mentioned it on Twitter. It was a sign. I had to try this wine (I'd never had it before). So, on my way home from work tonight, I swung by my local mega-wine-mart Binnys to see if they had any. Well, turned out they had the '07 and one last bottle of the '06. Throwing caution to the wind, I said fuck it and grabbed a bottle of both. Fast forward a couple hours and here I sit with a glass of each in front of me. What's even better than one bottle in front of you (a frontal lobotomy)? Two bottles.

I was really curious as to whether or not I would be able to detect this 'lactic' note you mentioned in the '07. Can't say as I would have been able to point it out as that, but I do get the slight vanillin thing you also mention. It seems as though it would be a slight oak influence. Of the two, the '06 is ringing my bell so far. It is damn nice. Love the spiciness and pepper and herbaciousness on the nose. Also seems fresher, lighter and definitely more balanced. Not to mention the great structure. I really like it. The more I drink it the more I want. The '07 is good, too. Just not as much of those things as the other; also a bit disjointed. I'm sure if it had just been the '07 I had had, I'd be fine with it. They both went well with dinner and wouldn't have kicked either of them off the table. Thumbs up to Teroldego.
 
I haven't had the 07s but it's hard not to like those wines, isn't it. At least for people with good taste.

Unfortunately, I rarely get around to buying them because I don't go on Teroldego kicks. What with all the other wines available.

I assume you've seen their higher level Granato. Which is appropriately higher level IMHO.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
I haven't had the 07s but it's hard not to like those wines, isn't it. At least for people with good taste.

Unfortunately, I rarely get around to buying them because I don't go on Teroldego kicks. What with all the other wines available.

I assume you've seen their higher level Granato. Which is appropriately higher level IMHO.
Well, might as well just wait for the '08s to hit then.

I haven't seen the Granato yet. Truthfully, I hadn't really registered Teroldego until I read about it last night. I'll keep my eyes open for it, though. But, sometimes those 'higher level' bottlings just don't hit you like the 'normale' ones can.
 
originally posted by lars makie:

As it happens Oswaldo, your mention of the Foradori Teroldego was the second time I had seen it mentioned in less the 8 hours. A few hours later, someone mentioned it on Twitter. It was a sign. I had to try this wine (I'd never had it before). So, on my way home from work tonight, I swung by my local mega-wine-mart Binnys to see if they had any. Well, turned out they had the '07 and one last bottle of the '06. Throwing caution to the wind, I said fuck it and grabbed a bottle of both. Fast forward a couple hours and here I sit with a glass of each in front of me. What's even better than one bottle in front of you (a frontal lobotomy)? Two bottles.

Thanks for the heads-up, Lars. I was going to order some '09 Dashe L'Enfant Terrible from them (they're the only retailer east of NYC that I've found selling the stuff) so I might just order some Teroldego from them, too. Alas, Sam's used to be a reliable source of Lapierre's Morgon for me, but Binny's doesn't seem to have continued the tradition, alas. Fortunately, there are other sources for that.

I was really curious as to whether or not I would be able to detect this 'lactic' note you mentioned in the '07. Can't say as I would have been able to point it out as that, but I do get the slight vanillin thing you also mention. It seems as though it would be a slight oak influence.

If you're not fluent in ChemSpeak it might be helpful to think of "lactic" smells as those of spoiled milk... or maybe not.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by lars makie: But, sometimes those 'higher level' bottlings just don't hit you like the 'normale' ones can.

I know. Which is why I said that this one is appropriately higher level in my limited experience. At least in the sense that it's not spoofed up and overwrought. Although I just checked Polaner's website and was shocked to read that the Granato sees 70% new oak. I never registered it as such. Rather just as deeper and more complex. And I'm usually sensitive to oak. That probably speaks to the quality of the wine. (Although I must admit I've only had a handful of bottles from them).
 
originally posted by MLipton:

Thanks for the heads-up, Lars. I was going to order some '09 Dashe L'Enfant Terrible from them (they're the only retailer east of NYC that I've found selling the stuff) so I might just order some Teroldego from them, too. Alas, Sam's used to be a reliable source of Lapierre's Morgon for me, but Binny's doesn't seem to have continued the tradition, alas. Fortunately, there are other sources for that.

If you're not fluent in ChemSpeak it might be helpful to think of "lactic" smells as those of spoiled milk... or maybe not.
All I can say is don't back up the truck too heavily on the Dashe. At least the one Binnys is carrying (I know there's two different bottlings this year). I bought one a few months ago and didn't like it anywhere nearly as much as I had the two previous years (actually the '07 was better than the '08 in my opinion). It was a lot heavier and didn't have the finesse the other years had had.

I'm definitely not fluent in ChemSpeak, but I had an idea what a lactic smell/flavor might be. I guess if I look hard enough I can see it. It just doesn't scream out to me.
 
As coincidence would have it, I'm drinking the '07 Teroldego as well right now. Certainly tastes like it was a ripe vintage, and I get some vanillin/cocoa oak influence as well. I would probably prefer this wine a few years down the road. There's a strong core of fruit and the nose is all minerals right now, both of which are good signs. Your description of the slightly higher acidity in the '06 makes me a bit envious, though.
 
Glad you enjoyed the Foradori, Lars. The Granato in certain years can be special. As for lactic, in the Loire I remember Jo Pithon saying he didn't like malos in certain cases because it made the malic acidity become lactic, which he didn't like because it gave the wine a "yogurt" note. Before that comment, I would have just attributed the lactic note to vanillin...
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Glad you enjoyed the Foradori, Lars. The Granato in certain years can be special. As for lactic, in the Loire I remember Jo Pithon saying he didn't like malos in certain cases because it made the malic acidity become lactic, which he didn't like because it gave the wine a "yogurt" note. Before that comment, I would have just attributed the lactic note to vanillin...

That's interesting Oswaldo [truly] because I had started to think that 'lactic' was being used by some [obviously not you] as code for bretty [on account of the fact that the wine tends to be most vulnerable to Brett in extended malos as well as to stuck/stalling main fermentations] - particularly in ripe grape, low sulphur combos although I don't know if these wines conform. However the oak/vanillin notes would jibe with the little I know of Foradoris Granato although I suppose they would diminish with age.

Thanks for the eclectic write up which inevitably piques my already too active desire to keep trying wines of all sorts. The only ones I know well and have in my cellar from your note are Bossard's and I usually also prefer the Granite [to the Gneiss and Orthogneiss although I have all 3] - certainly in 2005 and 2006 which I am currently drinking.
 
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