Am I just unfair?

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I may be a retard for saying this, actually I may be a retard anyway, but I don't really care for all this fruit that I am finding in 09s.

Maybe drinking a lot of traditional Barolo has my palate a bit skewed.
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depends on what you are drinking (duh!)

I hate some of the stuff mentioned in positive light, even by this group. Yet, I adore others.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I may be a retard for saying this, actually I may be a retard anyway, but I don't really care for all this fruit that I am finding in 09s.
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Agreed here. I find the '07s much more to my liking.
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That's amazing, because I was about to specifically say that I preferred '07s to '09s in certain instances, but thought the censure would be too much to handle so soon after I woke up in the day.
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Yeah, see my trip report...
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I may be a retard for saying this, actually I may be a retard anyway, but I don't really care for all this fruit that I am finding in 09s.
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Agreed here. I find the '07s much more to my liking.
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That's amazing, because I was about to specifically say that I preferred '07s to '09s in certain instances, but thought the censure would be too much to handle so soon after I woke up in the day.
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Fuck censure. Save it for congress.

You guys are awfully picky. I like 07s and I like 09s and 02s and even 04s that I keep finding in the locker. I mainly like them with a coupla-six years of aging and sometimes that ameliorates any potential brett problems but sometimes it exacerbates those problems. I like Barolo too, and Bandol and Chinon. Wine shouldn't be an either/or thing, just a question of what's working in a given situation.

Like last night with Indian food, a 2009 Villa Ponciago Fleurie that was a little reduced at first and then broadened out into an average-plus aromatic profile that hinted at what Fleurie should be but still worked with the chicken tikka. Today it's smelling like drywall and peppermint, with a palate that is kind of like the off-dry syrup they dip apples into that dries to a hard shell consistency. I have no idea wtf to prepare to accompany this wine so I'll probably wait until later tonight after the Datsun Heritage Museum fundraiser and see if it's morphed into something else again.

I know, that's a lot of braincells used in service to figure out a bottle of Beaujolais with a kinda-Italian sounding name, but isn't it about the journey rather than the destination? Be like me and mortgage the family jewels to hop about the Beaujo-bandwagon and experience it all. I saw Lapierre advertised for $16/btl today, a price that makes experimenting very feasible. It's not brain surgery, and as long as you're not buying for investment, there's nothing to lose.

-Eden (sadly, the family jewels aren't what they once were)
 
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I may be a retard for saying this, actually I may be a retard anyway, but I don't really care for all this fruit that I am finding in 09s.
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Agreed here. I find the '07s much more to my liking.
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That's amazing, because I was about to specifically say that I preferred '07s to '09s in certain instances, but thought the censure would be too much to handle so soon after I woke up in the day.
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Fuck censure. Save it for congress.

You guys are awfully picky. I like 07s and I like 09s and 02s and even 04s that I keep finding in the locker. I mainly like them with a coupla-six years of aging and sometimes that ameliorates any potential brett problems but sometimes it exacerbates those problems. I like Barolo too, and Bandol and Chinon. Wine shouldn't be an either/or thing, just a question of what's working in a given situation.

Like last night with Indian food, a 2009 Villa Ponciago Fleurie that was a little reduced at first and then broadened out into an average-plus aromatic profile that hinted at what Fleurie should be but still worked with the chicken tikka. Today it's smelling like drywall and peppermint, with a palate that is kind of like the off-dry syrup they dip apples into that dries to a hard shell consistency. I have no idea wtf to prepare to accompany this wine so I'll probably wait until later tonight after the Datsun Heritage Museum fundraiser and see if it's morphed into something else again.

I know, that's a lot of braincells used in service to figure out a bottle of Beaujolais with a kinda-Italian sounding name, but isn't it about the journey rather than the destination? Be like me and mortgage the family jewels to hop about the Beaujo-bandwagon and experience it all. I saw Lapierre advertised for $16/btl today, a price that makes experimenting very feasible. It's not brain surgery, and as long as you're not buying for investment, there's nothing to lose.

-Eden (sadly, the family jewels aren't what they once were)
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I didn't say that I was foreswearing '09s or journeys or whatever. I just noted a personal preference relevant to this time. And that was mostly to explain my previous Thevenet '09 comment. That was a wine that I didn't really dig on, and which to me, wasn't worth the $12/glass forfeiture of the family jewels. Because it was too fruity for me at this moment. Which isn't really what you hear much, so I thought I would say it.
 
I've certainly enjoyed the '09s I've tasted, but so far, I've only bought one based on personal experience, Morgon 'Cote du Puy' from Dominique Piron. They're all good, but only that one had the extra something that compelled me to open my wallet. I did purchase Lapierre and Roilette Tardive from the comments here and via PM. Wish I could've attended the BeauFest at Arlequin a couple of days ago.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Am I just unfair?I wonder why I diss Thevenet in Morgon. I don't often buy the wines, mostly because I fear Brett. I have a notion that this has been a big problem for them.

But within the last 24 hours, I've had two different vintages of his Morgon VV in my glass, and they've been great. Tonight I stumbled upon a bottle of 2004 in the fat bottle storage section of my home fridge. Was this a late release through CSW? I don't recall for sure, but it's a Kermit bottle. Anyhow, the wine is lovely. Not a plush 2009, quite pale, it still has a bit of a grip in the back end and is a somewhat lean package. But the aromatics are just beautiful and the grip is fine with my leftovers. Still plenty of deep gamay fruit, but leafy boletic complexity has crept in as well. I didn't cellar too many 2004s, but it seems I should have put away a few more. A lesson to everyone disappointed to miss out on this or that 2009. Though I would not keep 2004s indefinitely, the fruit on this wine may not outlive the structure.

Last night .sasha and I dropped by 10 Bells for their Beaujolais extravaganza. They have 18 different wines by the glass, it's fabulous fun. The '09 Thevenet Morgon was a fine example of a riper vintage, and it was clean as a whistle.

What's the matter with my generalizations?

Everything I know seems built on sand.

I need more calm reflection, and broader tasting.
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Thevenet 09 in our flight: clean as a whistle, fruity, and thus disturbing

Lapierre 09, this bottle: fucked, but we all knew it could go this way

Chamonard 08: sweet and delicious
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In case Bwood was really asking "gang of five (or is it four)?" Joseph Chamonard was the 5th musketeer but died in 1990 IIRC. So perhaps that's why the Gang of 5 is often referred to as the Gang of 4. One hopes that it isn't now going to be called the Gang of 3 after Marcel Lapierre's untimely passing.

Joseph Chamonard's Domaine continued under his daughter Genevieve and her husband Jean-Claude Chanudet - hence the Chamonard 08 above although I don't know if they continued on precisely the same lines although I believe so. However based on "sweet and delicious" above it probably doesn't matter.
 
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
Picky is fine. We're not posting on an obscure wine forum in a forlorn corner of the internet because of catholic tastes.
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Substitute "natural" for "catholic" and you might take some flak.
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
Wish I could've attended the BeauFest at Arlequin a couple of days ago.
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Sorry you weren't able to make it. Plenty to like. Strong showing at the Farm wines table, a bit more variable at the KLWM table and the Sunier wines from Joli Vin were in a style category of their own.
No Foillard, they aren't here yet. Rumor has it that more cuvees are being brought in this time.
 
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
originally posted by Larry Stein:
Wish I could've attended the BeauFest at Arlequin a couple of days ago.
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Sorry you weren't able to make it. Plenty to like. Strong showing at the Farm wines table, a bit more variable at the KLWM table and the Sunier wines from Joli Vin were in a style category of their own.
No Foillard, they aren't here yet. Rumor has it that more cuvees are being brought in this time.
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Ned, what did you like and not like?
 
originally posted by Larry Stein:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
originally posted by Larry Stein:
Wish I could've attended the BeauFest at Arlequin a couple of days ago.
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Sorry you weren't able to make it. Plenty to like. Strong showing at the Farm wines table, a bit more variable at the KLWM table and the Sunier wines from Joli Vin were in a style category of their own.
No Foillard, they aren't here yet. Rumor has it that more cuvees are being brought in this time.
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Ned, what did you like and not like?
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I didn't take any written notes, so I can only provide impressions. The 09s are certainly bigger darker and riper and a few are noticeably tannic; the 08s less so of course and are now are coming around a bit. Everything at the Farm/Dressner table met my expectations or showed well. Those included both 09 Roilettes, Terres Dores 09 Fleurie, Morgon, Cote de Brouilly, and the 08 L'Ancien. Also there was the G. Descombes Brouilly 08 and the Coquelet Villages 09.

At the KLWM table the 08 Thivin was freshly opened and definitely matchsticky but I suppose if that dissipated it had potential. Can't say that either the 08 or 09 Diochon impressed much. 08s that are bit more friendly now included, the G. Breton Morgon and the Chanrion Cote de Brouilly. The Lapierre 09
Morgon I had previously bought and didn't really focus on it but if I said it was just what you would expect, would that work? Sorry but I'm also a little fuzzy on the Thvenet 09 Morgon VV but that may have one of the tannic ones.

The Suniers are a lighter, softer style, which contrasted distinctly with most everything else. One had to either reset the palate to appreciate their virtues.

Richard Jennings posted more detailed notes here which for the most part I agree with.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I didn't say that I was foreswearing '09s or journeys or whatever. I just noted a personal preference relevant to this time. And that was mostly to explain my previous Thevenet '09 comment. That was a wine that I didn't really dig on, and which to me, wasn't worth the $12/glass forfeiture of the family jewels. Because it was too fruity for me at this moment. Which isn't really what you hear much, so I thought I would say it.
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I love 07s, just bought a few more given some very attractive pricing. The thing I have to watch out for is when the things are going to get too secondary fruit-wise for my convoluted taste. I'll take all the other secondary stuff, earth, mineral & foliage, but I need some fresh berry mixed in. Blame this on too many old bottles from other places. I thought Foillard Fleurie 07 that the frequent flyer dude and I shared on thursday was right there - already transparent and earthy, but still kicking ass in the fruit department. But I would not be placing mine in long term storage.

Point about fruity 09s taken. I have no problem saying that a wine is out of balance when it's too fruity, particularly when it's stupidly unsupported fruit. But the flip side is that a properly balanced 09, of which I believe I have tasted a few, can be "supercharged" with fruit to get me further down the road I want to travel than IMVHO the 07s.
 
While I don't really want to weigh in on the '07 vs. '09 tempest in a teapot, I will note that '09, like '05 and several other ballyhooed vintages in the Beaujolais, has produced some fairly structured and dark-fruited wines. Such wines do not generally conform to my darling spouse's ideals for Gamay, so I repair to the cellar with the offending wines in tow to soften and possibly Pinot-fy with age. The '07s and and select '08s are serving our near-term needs, though, along with Vissoux's '09 CT and Tete's '09 B-V. (The Brun '09 L'Ancien is sitting in middle ground, as it's darker-fruited than the aforementioned wines but isn't going to see extended cellar aging (fake cork).

Mark Lipton
 
CT = traditionnelle ? great juice.
Eden and Levi will be happy to know I still got some 04 of that :)
 
... That was a wine that I didn't really dig on, and which to me, wasn't worth the $12/glass forfeiture of the family jewels.
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man, you got hosed...

Biased opinion: I love Thevenet, difficult to find however, in the hollows where I live.
 
originally posted by MLipton:
While I don't really want to weigh in on the '07 vs. '09 tempest in a teapot, I will note that '09, like '05 and several other ballyhooed vintages in the Beaujolais, has produced some fairly structured and dark-fruited wines. Such wines do not generally conform to my darling spouse's ideals for Gamay, so I repair to the cellar with the offending wines in tow to soften and possibly Pinot-fy with age. The '07s and and select '08s are serving our near-term needs, though, along with Vissoux's '09 CT and Tete's '09 B-V. (The Brun '09 L'Ancien is sitting in middle ground, as it's darker-fruited than the aforementioned wines but isn't going to see extended cellar aging (fake cork).

Mark Lipton
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Come by and recork it!

I think the 05s and 09s are fairly different - I wouldn't touch the 05s with a ten foot pole, I think the 09s are there for a range of early, middle, and late drinking.
 
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