Am I just unfair?

2009 Villa Ponciago Fleurie that was a little reduced at first and then broadened out into an average-plus aromatic profile that hinted at what Fleurie should be but still worked with the chicken tikka. Today it's smelling like drywall and peppermint, with a palate that is kind of like the off-dry syrup they dip apples into that dries to a hard shell consistency.
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Peppermint right out of the gate here. Reduced, yes (Diam cork; gosh, good thing it wasn't screwcapped, or there would be verbose attacks of the vapors in certain quarters). A hint of volatility. Slightly bitter tannin, a ton of acid. Frankly, I'm not sure they didn't coferment gamay and cough drops. I don't get this wine at all, and I'm not even particularly interested in someone explaining it to me. The Lapierre that was right next to it, at $11.99/per (don't worry, it's all gone, and they don't have any more in the back either), is looking better and better.
 
originally posted by Thor:
Pretty much everything else they sell is overpriced, so there was some sort of karma at work.
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That's your term for "mispriced" back East? Live and learn...

Mark Lipton
 
Look, the truth is boring. They buy stuff cleared out/resold/returned by other outlets, often for good reason (on the selling entity's part). That's obviously what happened here. I tried one (in the parking lot, following an old Trader Joe's strategy recommended by someone or other), found it intact (not always a guarantee at this store), and bought the rest. A gamble, but a cheap one.

I prefer the semi-fictional version. And now that you know the truth, don't you?

Besides, the Boston term for "mispriced" is "South End parking spot." Either that or "Shaquille."
 
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by .sasha:
something is confusing here, sfjoe and I had a doa 07 descombes morgon on thursday, and by the sound of things so did fatboy.
But a bottle was good in July, although completely ready to go. Different bottlings ?

Didn't know Vissoux produced a Morgon. Which Fleurie bored you? I hope it was the P, otherwise more confusion. I disagree about Brouilly, but that's OK, the wine serves a specific purpose.
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The 2007 VV (fat bottle, wax capsule) has been consistently excellent.

The 2007 regular has been more variable.

Bottle variation could be at work with Descombes.

The 2007 Brouilly VV was the wine on the best form last Spring at the LDM tasting.
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Last time I tried the '07 Descombes Morgon VV it was aromatically closed.
But not dead, just sleeping, was my overall impression. Late Spring I think.
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I'm with Marc. I suspect, but do not know, my taste was from the same bottle.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by VLM:

I also generally find Vissoux boring, except for the Tradition.
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Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one. Though I haven't tasted widely so I may have just had bad luck hitting them when they're closed. That's what I'd been assuming given the general love they see from people who generally line up with my palate.
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One more here. I bought and drank a selection of 2007s from Vissoux just to see what the fuss was about. I thought them all rather unimpressive. Luckily we do not have to like the same wines!
 
originally posted by Thor:
Look, the truth is boring. They buy stuff cleared out/resold/returned by other outlets, often for good reason (on the selling entity's part). That's obviously what happened here. I tried one (in the parking lot, following an old Trader Joe's strategy recommended by someone or other), found it intact (not always a guarantee at this store), and bought the rest. A gamble, but a cheap one.

I prefer the semi-fictional version. And now that you know the truth, don't you?

Besides, the Boston term for "mispriced" is "South End parking spot." Either that or "Shaquille."
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Ummm, did you mistake my response for a serious one?

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by VLM:

I also generally find Vissoux boring, except for the Tradition.
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Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one. Though I haven't tasted widely so I may have just had bad luck hitting them when they're closed. That's what I'd been assuming given the general love they see from people who generally line up with my palate.
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Same here. I bought a couple of each of the various '09 Vissoux non-Tradition wines to re-test that assumption. One to try now, one to store for later. I tend to think it is a ripeness issue, that the non-tradition wines are done in a way that they end up a bit too glossy and big and lacking in character/precision for my taste. Or maybe it is a vine age thing, with the Tradition coming from old vines and the Crus from younger vines?

It would be interesting to know Pierre Chermette's thoughts on those wines -- has anyone ever read anything describing the intended differences at Vissoux with respect to the various wines and why the Tradition is such a stylistic outlier there?
 
There is some truth to VLM's caricature of my palate, and yet I thought that three non-traditionnelle wines from chermette in 09 were worth the valuable space in the cellar. However, I did arrive to this conclusion after the bottles were open for 2-3 days ( a trick that almost never works for reds, for the record ).
 
Possibly some pertinent info on their site here: Chermette . Pretty swish website. Also some detailed harvest fact for past vintages here: Weygandt. Harvest for the crus are 45-50 hl/hectare. Traditionelle vines are up to 80 years old; crus (most) up to 30.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
There is some truth to VLM's caricature of my palate, and yet I thought that three non-traditionnelle wines from chermette in 09 were worth the valuable space in the cellar. However, I did arrive to this conclusion after the bottles were open for 2-3 days ( a trick that almost never works for reds, for the record ).
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I'm not listening to anything vlm has to say until he breaks his silence on the Spurs game.

I am going to try a couple of the '09 non-traditionelle wines over the coming holiday weekend.

Ian, interesting that the vines are much older on the Traditionelle.
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by VLM:

I also generally find Vissoux boring, except for the Tradition.
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Thank goodness. I thought I was the only one. Though I haven't tasted widely so I may have just had bad luck hitting them when they're closed. That's what I'd been assuming given the general love they see from people who generally line up with my palate.
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One more here. I bought and drank a selection of 2007s from Vissoux just to see what the fuss was about.
I thought them all rather unimpressive.
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265 It is "[a]s if someone were to buy several copies of the morning paper to assure himself that what it said was true"

Luckily we do not have to like the same wines!
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true. though for anyone who wants to learn about them, 04 poncie is far prettier than 04 lapierre at the moment.

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i was on teh wine boreds one day and this bitch was talkin about some jj prum shit. so i tried some.

fucking rubbish.

i'm like, "hey motherfucker -- this shit is disgusting."

the little wiener just whines: "yeah, but this stuff needs time. like, you need to be suckin down teh 47 wiener sonnenwhore, not teh two-07"

fuckin loser.

so i told the bitch again, "hey motherfucker -- this shit is disgusting. i has investigated same. get it?"

and i say, "thanks for playing." -- just to show the bitch who is boss.

pwned!

all the kids on kane's secret wine board told me i was the man.

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Ummm, did you mistake my response for a serious one?
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Not really, no. But I felt "why was it $11.99?" was a legitimate question that, even if you weren't asking it in seriousness, deserved some explanation.
 
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