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Not a huge big deal but...
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originally posted by Claude Kolm:
So, you're willing to overlook the fact that the logo is in red on a largely two-tone lable and the logo is at least as large, arguably larger, than anything else on the label. Chacun son got.originally posted by Fatboy:
not half as bad. to me, because it's at the bottom, and the logo / typeface are smaller than jayer's.
pwned.
how many folk singers does it take to change a light bulb?
fb.
Tom Glasgow
Thomas W Glasgow
But Riedel at least you have to really look for it (hopefully before the wine is poured). I'm also guessing most of the disorderlies are just as happy with other brands of good wine glasses.originally posted by Claude Kolm:
BTW, does anyone else remember back about 20 years or so ago when stemware producers such as Riedel and Baccarat started putting their names on the base of the stems, much to the dismay of traditionalists? Does anyone still object? I bet more people are happy about it now.
originally posted by SFJoe:
Riedel actually makes their fucking glasses.
Their importer doesn't sandblast his name on the bowl.
Although I would be perfectly happy to have an unsigned wine glass.
Tom Glasgow
Thomas W Glasgow
I prefer a back label, but a consistent neck label would "brand" it better (if that's the goal). Seems like the KL wine grafitti is haphazard.
Lynch Kermit
Kermit Lynch
A couple of years ago, I noticed more and more comments from customers outside Berkeley: in wine shops we turn around the bottles to find your selections. I thought, well, thats a drag for them, and out of a thousand visitors to a wine shop, how many would take the trouble to do that? I guessed maybe one out of ten thousand. Turning bottle after bottle to find the few that might wear my import strip doesnt sound like fun to me.
So I hired a designer to come up with a Kermit Lynch front strip. Problem: none of the designs looked good with the huge variety of labels I import, so I decided to let each winemaker design his own.
Announcement: I did not design the Foillard importer mention above his labels. He and his wife did. Announcement #2: I did not insist that any of my producers use the mention and some choose not to.
Announcement #3: With two wars and a recession, unemployment, Iran and North Korea, etc., dont you have something better to do than make me your devil because the front of a bottle identifies my selections ?
There is a precedent by my predecessors, for example Colonel Wildman, Frank Schoonmaker, and Robert Haas. And many other worthy competitors place a mention with their names on the front of their bottles.
Did it occur to me that some might buy one of my selections because they noticed my name? Yes.
So, Lynch me.
So I hired a designer to come up with a Kermit Lynch front strip. Problem: none of the designs looked good with the huge variety of labels I import, so I decided to let each winemaker design his own.
Announcement: I did not design the Foillard importer mention above his labels. He and his wife did. Announcement #2: I did not insist that any of my producers use the mention and some choose not to.
Announcement #3: With two wars and a recession, unemployment, Iran and North Korea, etc., dont you have something better to do than make me your devil because the front of a bottle identifies my selections ?
There is a precedent by my predecessors, for example Colonel Wildman, Frank Schoonmaker, and Robert Haas. And many other worthy competitors place a mention with their names on the front of their bottles.
Did it occur to me that some might buy one of my selections because they noticed my name? Yes.
So, Lynch me.
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
originally posted by Lynch Kermit:
A couple of years ago, I noticed more and more comments from customers outside Berkeley: in wine shops we turn around the bottles to find your selections. I thought, well, thats a drag for them, and out of a thousand visitors to a wine shop, how many would take the trouble to do that? I guessed maybe one out of ten thousand. Turning bottle after bottle to find the few that might wear my import strip doesnt sound like fun to me.
So I hired a designer to come up with a Kermit Lynch front strip. Problem: none of the designs looked good with the huge variety of labels I import, so I decided to let each winemaker design his own.
Announcement: I did not design the Foillard importer mention above his labels. He and his wife did. Announcement #2: I did not insist that any of my producers use the mention and some choose not to.
Announcement #3: With two wars and a recession, unemployment, Iran and North Korea, etc., dont you have something better to do than make me your devil because the front of a bottle identifies my selections ?
There is a precedent by my predecessors, for example Colonel Wildman, Frank Schoonmaker, and Robert Haas. And many other worthy competitors place a mention with their names on the front of their bottles.
Did it occur to me that some might buy one of my selections because they noticed my name? Yes.
So, Lynch me.
Bravo!
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Cannot agree more typographically.
KL knocks it out of park.
KL knocks it out of park.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
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Announcement #3: With two wars and a recession, unemployment, Iran and North Korea, etc., dont you have something better to do than make me your devil because the front of a bottle identifies my selections ?
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Is this a trick question?
The CdP itself is a big deal. I know earlier in the thread I mentioned that we all know it is good stuff, but I was (pleasantly) surprised myself last night at how much I liked it. Really gained a lot of weight and thickness with air, perhaps becoming a tad too intense by the end of the bottle. But no complaints. I know I don't have enough of this stuff.
originally posted by Lynch Kermit:
A couple of years ago, I noticed more and more comments from customers outside Berkeley: in wine shops we turn around the bottles to find your selections. I thought, well, thats a drag for them, and out of a thousand visitors to a wine shop, how many would take the trouble to do that? I guessed maybe one out of ten thousand. Turning bottle after bottle to find the few that might wear my import strip doesnt sound like fun to me.
So I hired a designer to come up with a Kermit Lynch front strip. Problem: none of the designs looked good with the huge variety of labels I import, so I decided to let each winemaker design his own.
Announcement: I did not design the Foillard importer mention above his labels. He and his wife did. Announcement #2: I did not insist that any of my producers use the mention and some choose not to.
Announcement #3: With two wars and a recession, unemployment, Iran and North Korea, etc., dont you have something better to do than make me your devil because the front of a bottle identifies my selections ?
There is a precedent by my predecessors, for example Colonel Wildman, Frank Schoonmaker, and Robert Haas. And many other worthy competitors place a mention with their names on the front of their bottles.
Did it occur to me that some might buy one of my selections because they noticed my name? Yes.
So, Lynch me.
Hi Kermit-
Thank you so much for entering our little nook and participating. It's nice to hear directly from the man the thought process and idea behind the change.
As someone that happily buys and drinks the wines you import, but more importantly, sells them, any change can be a little worrisome, especially when it elicits negative reactions from buyers in the trade, as it has done. I certainly don't need to tell you how persnickety and irrational some buyers can be and decisions not to buy, or to discontinue have been made for lesser reasons. At least now we have a story to tell buyers about the change, but I'm wondering if the front label your designer came up with was worse than having your message appear in a hodge podge of different fonts, different sizes and in different places on the label of a lot of different bottles? I'm no marketing genius, but if I were asked to donate $.02, in my mind, a clear, consistent, easy to find and iconic importer identification would be optimal. Perhaps a necker tailor made for the contours of Burgundy bottles and one for Bordeaux bottles if one size doesn't fit all, or something along those lines?
In any case, with regard to your third announcement, wars, recession and turmoil aside, (and those topics are often discussed, though it's generally not a good idea when alcohol is involved)this is is precisely the kind of topic that's regularly discussed on wine boards. I certainly don't think anyone was trying to make you into the devil and if you stick around, I think you'd clearly see how many fans you have on this board. Your insight and wisdom would be most welcomed here.
Cheers,
Brad
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Excuse me, Mr. Lynch, now that you're here, would you mind weighing in on the other thread about whether or not yeasts are part of terroir?
Nice work, Oswaldo.originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Excuse me, Mr. Lynch, now that you're here, would you mind weighing in on the other thread about whether or not yeasts are part of terroir?
Kermit, it's an honor to have you here, and you will find that you have many fans, you devil you.
...I tend to find that French vignerons are pretty poor at creating and maintaining websites, especially detailed ones on the technical aspects of their wines, which are sometimes expressed on the back label.
Yeah, what's up with that? Don't they know this is the 21st century??
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
You just never know who's going to be lurking here.
And the answer to question 3 is, while threads on this board can go anywhere at any given moment, it is still a wine board, and thus it is more relevant to attack the taste of importers here than the policies behind wars and recessions.
And the answer to question 3 is, while threads on this board can go anywhere at any given moment, it is still a wine board, and thus it is more relevant to attack the taste of importers here than the policies behind wars and recessions.
It's a double-edged sword, though, because for reasons that escape my understanding, when reluctant French (and Italian) vignerons are finally convinced to acquire a web presence, there's an inexplicable enthusiasm for elaborate and unskippable Flash intros and, heaven help us, pre-loaded MIDI files. Oh, and the cursor animations are a plague as well. All the finest web design tricks of 1997.Yeah, what's up with that? Don't they know this is the 21st century??
Really: just one static page of "who we are/what we make/how to contact us" for every winery, even if they follow that with "...but please leave us alone," would be a spectacular improvement on what we have now. Trying to find addresses for vignerons in Iroulguy, for example, was kind of a nightmare. I just don't think most want to be bothered, and for some it's unquestionably part of a general philosophical stance against that sort of thing. It'd be as unthinkable as, say, inoculating...