originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
David, folks talk here about Beaujolais, in its splendored glory, more than anywhere else I know of. Is it crass to call Beaujolais commercially available gamay, with the addition of terroir? So you are preaching to the converted. ESJ's winemaker is a card-carrying bored member, too, and his wines are much-admired. Play around with the search function a bit.
Out of habit, the folks here also are apt to fall unthinkingly into the local patois of opposite-speak, in which we express ourselves by saying the opposite of what we mean. Thor is a leading proponent of this linguistic gambit, a master at whose knees I study as a grasshopper.
Who sells your wines in the US, by the way?
You mean, like Jean-Claude Bachelet, Marc Colin, Prudhon, Thomas, etc.?originally posted by Thor:
You know, it occurs to me that this board would really be improved if we discussed the hidden treasures of gamay more often.
The above being a prime example of opposite speak, in which an august member, feigning friendliness, yet unable to contain a patronizing and condescending exhortation to use the search function, is really asking "who buys your wines in the US, by the way?"
PS: we also like to have all our jokes explained
And people accuse us of in-jokery.You mean, like Jean-Claude Bachelet, Marc Colin, Prudhon, Thomas, etc.?
originally posted by BJ:
Unti - we lucked out, and George, the owner, handled our tasting. An absolute gentleman, I realized later there was a good chance he knew Lou Kessler. These folks are totally firing on all cylinders - not getting sucked into vacuous "naturelle" fads but paying attention to them while putting out excellent traditional wines.
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by BJ:
Unti - we lucked out, and George, the owner, handled our tasting. An absolute gentleman, I realized later there was a good chance he knew Lou Kessler. These folks are totally firing on all cylinders - not getting sucked into vacuous "naturelle" fads but paying attention to them while putting out excellent traditional wines.
Good to hear. I remember visiting 10-15 years ago when there was a lot of buzz. The wines were nice but too big for me, and I never really followed them.
originally posted by BJ:
Just a quick update on the Dry Creek/Healdsburg area. Just there for a brief family visit.
The Dry Creek General Store should not be missed, just to see the 1800s building if nothing else.
I appreciated Preston Farm/Cellars' polycultural approach - I swear I saw a bench full of WWOOFers. Delicious pickles, strawberries, and tomatoes at the farm store room, along with emmert wheat (we'll mill that down). The wine was solid/good, not top notch, but the whole scene very enjoyable. I missed the name of the guy pouring but he was very knowledgeable and we enjoyed our conversation with him very much. Definitely a great place for a picnic.
Unti - we lucked out, and George, the owner, handled our tasting. An absolute gentleman, I realized later there was a good chance he knew Lou Kessler. These folks are totally firing on all cylinders - not getting sucked into vacuous "naturelle" fads but paying attention to them while putting out excellent traditional wines. George is a terrific person to talk wine with - I especially appreciated our conversation about oak vs. stainless vs. concrete, and tradeoffs between porosity, cleanliness, and neutral impact on flavor (they are big on concrete). I liked every single wine we had. The whites were outstanding. The Cuvee Foudre struck me as a clean Beaucastel. The Grenache was a dead ringer for a cru Cairanne. George made a point of saying their Syrah was no Hermitage, CR, or Cornas - but that they simply were trying to make it the best it could be without the makeup. Impressive in attitude, and the wine was delicious.
Very very sadly, the Shed is permanently closed. The Santa Rosa area and economy has been impacted by the fires. Get used to it in a new era of climate change - who is next?
Somehow, we'd missed Dry Creek during a series of family visits to the area over the past decade. A really nice area, with authenticity and accessibility.
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Idlewild has a tasting room just off the square; mostly Italian varieties. And quite accomplished.
Best, Jim
Valdiguie is fun. Wooden Valley in Solano county used to make one (and maybe still do) that was a terrific value at $15 or so.originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Idlewild has a tasting room just off the square; mostly Italian varieties. And quite accomplished.
Best, Jim
I’ve really liked the Idlewild Valdiguie (Enzenauer Vnyd?) in past vintages.
Mark Lipton
originally posted by VS:
Ridge's Lytton Springs winery, with those wonderful century-old zinfandel and petite sirah vines, plus the chance to taste or buy some of those ATP wines that are only available at the winery, such as the 2006 Syrah-Grenache or the 2006 Lytton Estate Zinfandel (actually, I see it has 16% petite sirah in the blend - under European rules, you couldn't call it a zin, but who cares about those bureaucratic details?)
originally posted by Howard Cooper:
originally posted by VS:
Ridge's Lytton Springs winery, with those wonderful century-old zinfandel and petite sirah vines, plus the chance to taste or buy some of those ATP wines that are only available at the winery, such as the 2006 Syrah-Grenache or the 2006 Lytton Estate Zinfandel (actually, I see it has 16% petite sirah in the blend - under European rules, you couldn't call it a zin, but who cares about those bureaucratic details?)
In the US, it has to be 75% zin to be labeled as zin. Some years, Lytton Springs is not labeled as Zin because it is not 75% zin. Also, Ridge puts the label the exact blend of grapes.