Too much Beaujolais?

originally posted by .sasha:
Oswaldo,
Drouhin does not own vineyards in Beaujolais, they select the juice.
But, like in the case of a number of their negoc cote d'or wines, the relationships with the growers go back decades, and quality control is not an issue.
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Bullshit.

They buy from coops like everyone else. Like everyone else they buy juice that has has gone through thermovinification.

You guys want to like the wine, feel free. But it is nothing beyond Duboeuf because they have a good rep up north.

Jadot does make an effort in the area and has bought land there. I don't like their use of wood, but respect what they are doing.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:


They buy from coops like everyone else. Like everyone else they buy juice that has has gone through thermovinification.
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This scared me straight. I had no idea anyone did this thermovinification. it's truly disgusting - like juice made from concentrate. yuck.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
originally posted by .sasha:
Oswaldo,
Drouhin does not own vineyards in Beaujolais, they select the juice.
But, like in the case of a number of their negoc cote d'or wines, the relationships with the growers go back decades, and quality control is not an issue.
.sk
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Bullshit.

They buy from coops like everyone else. Like everyone else they buy juice that has has gone through thermovinification.

You guys want to like the wine, feel free. But it is nothing beyond Duboeuf because they have a good rep up north.

Jadot does make an effort in the area and has bought land there. I don't like their use of wood, but respect what they are doing.
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I think .sasha's right, Joe. I've been at Drouhin when they were working on the Beaujolais.

Drouhin has tried to buy vines in the Beaujolais, too. I know for a fact that they tried to acquire Chteau de Ponci but couldn't compete with Henriot. I don't know whether they've bid on anything else down there. I'm not positive, but I believe they've just acquired some vines in the Mconnais.
 
I am no expert, but the Drouhin Morgon was not pumped up in fruit, more the contrary. It doesn't seem to bear obvious stigmata of thermovinification. But I could be wrong.
 
Still talking with my newbie plates on but many of you seem to know each other and be based in USA??
I am in Australia where price and availability is quite different. I have seen very few '09 BoJo but the juicy/cabmac Fleurie from J-M Dupres was excellent and leaves me with high hopes. Lapierre is here but can only be found at about $90 on a restaurant list. I saw little sense of place in the '07 Foillards, all showing a lanolin like flavour that left me unhappy. The Fleurie in particular seemed to have a level of 4EG that although not high smothers the sense of place. In desperation for some more '09s I contacted some wine stores in France to get a Lapierre. Caves Auge would not send me one because they say it is too delicate to post because as a sulfur free natural wine it will not travel. So I'd really like to here some thoughts from those of you who have tried Foillard and Lapierre from '09 in terms of sense of place, brightness as well as varietal typicity. The cheapest Foillard I bought in Sydney for $75 which for a wine that retails for less than $20 in France seems steep.
 
Indeed I have to reluctantly admit to knowing some of these characters in person.
07 foillard fleurie did not blow me away either, certainly not in light of recent encounters with 08 and 09 morgon. Nice enough fruit but no longer structurally supported, so don't know where it's going. Some great 07s out there though, like desvignes and coudert. And a descombes cuvee "VLM" which I am yet to taste.
 
I suspect your Fleurie got warm along its trip, hence your 4-EG.

I met some of these characters on alt.food.wine before I met them in NYC.

'09 Lapierre this week was slightly reduced, but lovely the 2nd day.
 
originally posted by David Lloyd:
Still talking with my newbie plates on but many of you seem to know each other and be based in USA??
I am in Australia where price and availability is quite different. I have seen very few '09 BoJo
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Living in Australia won't save you from execution for using the term "BoJo".

So, fuck you, and welcome to wine disorder, the best place on the internet for talking about talking about wine.

Those prices are absurd. If I were you, I'd try to track down some of the Jadot Chateau de Jacques bottlings from Moulin-a-Vent and Morgon. Theya re probably more widely available.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by David Lloyd:
Still talking with my newbie plates on but many of you seem to know each other and be based in USA??
I am in Australia where price and availability is quite different. I have seen very few '09 BoJo
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Living in Australia won't save you from execution for using the term "BoJo".

So, fuck you, and welcome to wine disorder, the best place on the internet for talking about talking about wine.

Those prices are absurd. If I were you, I'd try to track down some of the Jadot Chateau de Jacques bottlings from Moulin-a-Vent and Morgon. Theya re probably more widely available.
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Maybe the Jadot are more available for David, but as an example that shows the 2009 Beaujolais "in terms of sense of place, brightness as well as varietal typicity", I don't know. I tried one (huge sampling, ha) and it was more Chateau Des Jacques then Beaujolais. Extracted and a sense of new oak.
 
originally posted by David Lloyd:

I saw little sense of place in the '07 Foillards, all showing a lanolin like flavour that left me unhappy. The Fleurie in particular seemed to have a level of 4EG that although not high smothers the sense of place.
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Ah, as if one needed proof of the YMMV axiom. My only encounter with '07 Foillard Fleurie was a bottle last night, and that bottle (bought in the last 6 months from Crush) was beautiful. To my taste, and Sasha you've had more of these and in many more vintages than I, plenty of structure but none of it sticking out in any ungainly fashion. Lovely fruit wrapped silkily around a lithe frame. A good example of flavor, finesse and power without weight.
 
originally posted by David Lloyd:
Still talking with my newbie plates on but many of you seem to know each other and be based in USA??
I am in Australia where price and availability is quite different. I have seen very few '09 BoJo but the juicy/cabmac Fleurie from J-M Dupres was excellent and leaves me with high hopes. Lapierre is here but can only be found at about $90 on a restaurant list. I saw little sense of place in the '07 Foillards, all showing a lanolin like flavour that left me unhappy. The Fleurie in particular seemed to have a level of 4EG that although not high smothers the sense of place. In desperation for some more '09s I contacted some wine stores in France to get a Lapierre. Caves Auge would not send me one because they say it is too delicate to post because as a sulfur free natural wine it will not travel. So I'd really like to here some thoughts from those of you who have tried Foillard and Lapierre from '09 in terms of sense of place, brightness as well as varietal typicity. The cheapest Foillard I bought in Sydney for $75 which for a wine that retails for less than $20 in France seems steep.
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Ya just got to do your research. 2009 Lapierre Morgons was brought in by Lester Jesberg at Winewise for around $33, Vissoux are brought in by International Fine Wines and the Fleurie's are currently around $35, the 2008 Foillard is currently available from Andrew Guard for around $50 - all expensive by US of A prices but don't forget we tax all wine at 50%!
 
I inquired with several worthies in the Beaujolais today.

Drouhin is doing nothing special that anyone knows about other than buying from the usual coops, Loron (a diabolical company controlled by David Bowler) or larger growers.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by David Lloyd:
Still talking with my newbie plates on but many of you seem to know each other and be based in USA??
I am in Australia where price and availability is quite different. I have seen very few '09 BoJo
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Those prices are absurd.
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i assume he's talking about aussie dollars...
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
I inquired with several worthies in the Beaujolais today.

Drouhin is doing nothing special that anyone knows about other than buying from the usual coops, Loron (a diabolical company controlled by David Bowler) or larger growers.
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Are these the same sources that gave you the wrong info about what happened to poor Maurice Josserand?
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
I inquired with several worthies in the Beaujolais today.

Drouhin is doing nothing special that anyone knows about other than buying from the usual coops, Loron (a diabolical company controlled by David Bowler) or larger growers.
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Are these the same sources that gave you the wrong info about what happened to poor Maurice Josserand?
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No. I learned about Mo Josserand from my Harvard Oncologist.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:

i assume he's talking about aussie dollars...
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Actually, there's not all that much difference these days. AU$50 = US$49.60 as of tonight. The tax system in Oz is what kills the party.

BTW, Paul and David, what are you doing drinking Beaujolais? Haven't you signed up for Pannell's All For One Wine scheme?

-Eden (when I first started visiting Australia the Aussie dollar was about 60 to the US$ - my trips now are much more painful, not even factoring in nights at the Melbourne Supper Club, Da Noi, or Tetsuya's)
 
BTW, Paul and David, what are you doing drinking Beaujolais? Haven't you signed up for Pannell's All For One Wine scheme?

ALL for one starts Jan 1. Perfect weather for a Gamayfile to taste up at the moment. I don't drink Rose, Cabernet or any of its evil relatives and Jan 28 is big on Pinot for me so NOW is Gamay time. I don't mind Nebiolowith food but I'm in the BoJo zone now. Mind you at expensive fancy restaurant for 34th anniv tonight I will probably choose our 2007 PN. Need something to cheer me up as the rain is back :-(
 
Ya just got to do your research. 2009 Lapierre Morgons was brought in by Lester Jesberg at Winewise for around $33, Vissoux are brought in by International Fine Wines and the Fleurie's are currently around $35, the 2008 Foillard is currently available from Andrew Guard for around $50 - all expensive by US of A prices but don't forget we tax all wine at 50%![/quote]

I have accounts with most of the importers but Andrew hasn't got any 09s yet and I only like disturbing him and others when I am buying a case. Lester had sold out by the time I got onto him. I have asked him several times to place me on his list but it never happens and by the time I hear about wines of interest they are all gone. I got the 07 Foillards from a place in Sydney and the others from Stew Plant.
 
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by David Lloyd:

I saw little sense of place in the '07 Foillards, all showing a lanolin like flavour that left me unhappy. The Fleurie in particular seemed to have a level of 4EG that although not high smothers the sense of place.
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Ah, as if one needed proof of the YMMV axiom. My only encounter with '07 Foillard Fleurie was a bottle last night, and that bottle (bought in the last 6 months from Crush) was beautiful. To my taste, and Sasha you've had more of these and in many more vintages than I, plenty of structure but none of it sticking out in any ungainly fashion. Lovely fruit wrapped silkily around a lithe frame. A good example of flavor, finesse and power without weight.
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No, I don't know Foillard well at all, I just started drinking his wines recently after Joe Dressner told me to. What I am finding out though is that Fleurie such as those from Coudert are more of an exception in terms of how resilient the wines are to yielding secondary aromas and flavours and in maintaining lots of youthful grip. But I am in phase one of that particular study.
 
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