Too much Beaujolais?

originally posted by lars makie:
To paraphrase David Lillie:2010. Best Beaujolais Vintage Since 2009!
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I heard quite a bit more enthusiasm than that from Brézème, but maybe he'll come here to clarify.
 
I was seriously impressed with a 2009 Foillard Morgon Cote de Py I had recently at Chez Panisse (even at a decent price). More structure and acidity than the 2009 Lapierre Morgon, perhaps more akin to the Lapierre Vieilles Vignes I have had in terms of its depth.

I will be curious to follow the 2009 Lapierre Morgon over time (how long?). Will this continue to sharpen up?
 
I think 2009 Beaujolais Crus may actually end up being like those dates where you spent waaaaaaaaaay too much money taking somebody you never talk to anymore out to dinner and all you want to do now is just forget about the whole thing.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I think 2009 Beaujolais Crus may actually end up being like those dates where you spent waaaaaaaaaay too much money taking somebody you never talk to anymore out to dinner and all you want to do now is just forget about the whole thing.
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Oh, you guys are just pleasure-hating sad sacks.

Which is to say that there are certainly wines like that, but I've taken the other side of that bet on Coudert, on Foillard, on Lapierre, and I'm happy to have my side.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Oh, you guys are just pleasure-hating sad sacks.
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Well, yes, what of it?

I've taken the other side of that bet on Coudert, on Foillard, on Lapierre, and I'm happy to have my side.
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Admittedly, my view of the situation is tempered by the thought that if I am wrong, which, who knows, could well be, I can still enjoy these wines at your place in a few years.

But I was the biggest sucker in the world for laying out real money of my own for a Lapierre XIX, and it would be a long time (never) before I would make that mistake again.

And I mean, say all other things were equal, which they aren't due to the prices that were charged, wouldn't you rather drink 2007 Coudert, Foillard, Lapierre today, or 2005 Coudert, Foillard, Lapierre in the future? Or possibly 2010 also in the future?

I think 2009 is the year of delicious Beaujolais-Villages.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I've taken the other side of that bet on Coudert, on Foillard, on Lapierre, and I'm happy to have my side.
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Admittedly, my view of the situation is tempered by the thought that if I am wrong, which, who knows, could well be, I can still enjoy these wines at your place in a few years.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Joe got all petty and refused to share them because, like, you used to trash talk them? Ha ha ha.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Oh, you guys are just pleasure-hating sad sacks.

Which is to say that there are certainly wines like that, but I've taken the other side of that bet on Coudert, on Foillard, on Lapierre, and I'm happy to have my side.
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I hope you're right about Foillard. I took the same bet. At this point, I'm more confident in the other two.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I've taken the other side of that bet on Coudert, on Foillard, on Lapierre, and I'm happy to have my side.
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Admittedly, my view of the situation is tempered by the thought that if I am wrong, which, who knows, could well be, I can still enjoy these wines at your place in a few years.
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Wouldn't it be funny if Joe got all petty and refused to share them because, like, you used to trash talk them? Ha ha ha.
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I see the error in this logic.

If they really do turn out great, folks will be itching to show other folks just how wrong they were.

This is the rule of jungle.
 
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:


And I mean, say all other things were equal, which they aren't due to the prices that were charged, wouldn't you rather drink 2007 Coudert, Foillard, Lapierre today...?
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No.
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Cool, 'cause somebody had to buy a ton of the stuff, and it wasn't me.
 
So far I have thought the Coudert Tardive and the Ducroux Regnie 2009's were stellar. Vissoux Poncie good. Many other crus I am less sure about. These estimates in a way fit with Levi's 'year of Beaujolais-villages' theme though - wines that tend towards structure keep it and even blossom with the extra warmth, wines that don't, don't.

I am not going to bet the farm on on anything in 2009 because I think it is basically a better-mannered 2003 in a lot of France.
 
originally posted by Steven Spielmann:
So far I have thought the Coudert Tardive and the Ducroux Regnie 2009's were stellar. Vissoux Poncie good. Many other crus I am less sure about. These estimates in a way fit with Levi's 'year of Beaujolais-villages' theme though - wines that tend towards structure keep it and even blossom with the extra warmth, wines that don't, don't.

I am not going to bet the farm on on anything in 2009 because I think it is basically a better-mannered 2003 in a lot of France.
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I liked Ducroux Regnie 2009.

Coudert Tardive was most impressively shut down recently, and reminiscent of the kinds of smells you get from high-octane abv offerings in aromatic profile. One of my most shut down wines of all time, to be topped of late only by the Lapierre XIX.

Tasting through Vissoux 2009s made me remember how much I liked a recent bottle of Vissoux 2004, but not by way of comparison.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Oh, you guys are just pleasure-hating sad sacks.
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Well, yes, what of it?

I've taken the other side of that bet on Coudert, on Foillard, on Lapierre, and I'm happy to have my side.
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And I mean, say all other things were equal, which they aren't due to the prices that were charged, wouldn't you rather drink 2007 Coudert, Foillard, Lapierre today, or 2005 Coudert, Foillard, Lapierre in the future? Or possibly 2010 also in the future?
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I'm not drinking 2009s now, mostly. The wines I bought in quantity are buried, MMIX included (though not in vast volume there).

I loved Brun's 2010s in February.

There are a bunch of tasty 2007s. Wish I had more of some of them. Drinking well now.
 
That's interesting. The Coudert I had gave me a similar impression to Ian's - somewhat shut down but in a zen-like state of equipoise, a very harmonious wine. I could see it going to where you say it is I guess but I had hoped for different. I thought it was great on release in any case.

It is crazy to me just how all over the board opinions on Vissoux are in this vintage. The Poncie is the only one I have had so far and it was a little fat but I thought it was pretty nice a few weeks ago. Not great but good.

Lapierre Normale 2008 was drinking fantastically two months ago for me - in fact I enjoyed it more than the 2007 Foillard Pi or Lapierre XXVII we had open with it. But with Lapierre it seems like every bottle is a new story regardless.
 
originally posted by VLM:

Coudert-Appert Chiroubles was good tonight.
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very nice, for sure.
I'd enjoy this one young, it has just enough transparency despite a shade of purple.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by VLM:

Coudert-Appert Chiroubles was good tonight.
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very nice, for sure.
I'd enjoy this one young, it has just enough transparency despite a shade of purple.
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My thoughts exactly. It was totally purple. Went well with teriyaki sirloin. I've got my rice almost perfect now too.
 
I am tempted to say Levi makes some great and essential points here, but ends up thorwing out the baby with the bath water.

I did say "tempted".
 
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