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Thor Iverson
Kogl 2008 Sämling “Mea Culpa” (Podravje) The least aromatic scheurebe I’ve ever tasted, which is far from suggesting that it’s not still dallying with the lurid. It’s just that it’s more an element of the whole than an overwhelming impression. Actually, this is pretty terrific (asterisk the previous with “for Pordravjean scheurebe” if “terrific” does not apply to this grape in your oenoverse), with some firmness, balance, and even a bit of quartzy minerality. (11/10)

Steindorfer 2009 Pinot Gris Fuschloch (Burgenland) Surprisingly Alsatian in weight, if not aromatic profile, with more lusciousness than I’m used to from Austrian versions. The pear is bare and unspiced, however, which definitely takes it out of Alsace, and there’s rather more light within this wine than is typical elsewhere. Pleasant, and since it’s very hard to convince pinot gris to be more than that, good enough. (9/10)

Quinta do Noval Tawny Porto (Douro) Among the (relatively) big producers whose Portos are widely available, this is the only one I find reliable enough for constant resupply. This is not one of the house’s superior efforts, but it’s still tasty enough. Sweet caramels and brown sugars, pleasant and inviting, with the afterburn well-handled. (9/10)

Brokenwood 2005 Semillon (Hunter Valley) 10.5% alcohol. Grassy, a little sweaty, and strongly-flavored for all the wine’s lightness of body. (10/10)

Van Duzer 1999 Pinot Noir (Willamette Valley) There was a time when I quite liked this house. And then there was a time where everything they made seemed wretched. This was from the first era, and though it has mostly clung and lingered rather than blossomed, it’s still not bad. A fair bit more menthololic and herbal than pinot noir of only eleven years should be, with all the stripped-down structure but few of the developed berry-leaf aromatics that one expects. Still, it’s pretty enough, in an overly freckled sort of way. Drink up, and soon. (10/10)

Disznókő 2006 Dry Tokaji (Hungary) Forbiddingly reduced at first unscrewing, but this does blow off. I’m not sure the wine’s worth the wait, thoughunder the reduction is a little wan oxidation, a squirt of spritz, some undefined tartness, and a big, flat, horizonless plain of not very much. Nothing wrong, but nothing particularly right. It’s wine. That’s about as far as I’ll praise it. (10/10)

Paumanok 2009 Sauvignon Blanc (North Fork) Pretty fair, though as with so many of this area’s wines I don’t know about the value proposition. Ripe sauvignon, a little pushed (the fruit is a touch over-concentrated and there’s a slight bite of tannin), but well within the boundaries. I couldn’t possibly say if this is representing terroir or not without a lot more experience. But it’s nice enough. (11/10)

New Hope Riesling (Pennsylvania) Identifiably of its variety, with the over-reliance on goop and stick so common to off-region versions fully present. A little green, a little herbal, and a little woody (akin to a woody apple’s texture, I mean, not oak). Not entirely bad, and quite drinkable, but the “for a Pennsylvania riesling” contextualization applies. (8/10)

Biltmore Pinot Noir (America) Fetid armpit glazed like a donut. Pretty horrifying. (9/10)
 
Nice to see the Brokenwood Sem is still holding up nicely. Have a couple of bottles at my parents' place (optimistic they'll age just fine under screwcap) that I'm trying not to open too soon.
 
We drank a bottle of the 2002 Vanduzer recently, and the fruit was kind of shut down and missing, and there was a little too much charry oak. I thought maybe it needed more time, but I'm not that optimistic about it's future.
 
There's another Van Duzer on the counter from the same era, which I think will empty the cellar of this particular producer. Should be a note...well, on my usual schedule.
 
I don't understand the format of all these tasting notes you post.

Do you taste by yourself? For what purpose?

Are these wines you have bought or that were donated?

If you bought them, why this particular selections?

If they were donated, for what possible purpose?

Do you enjoy these solitary tastings?

Do you drink the wines sometimes?

Do you eat meals with them?

What is the purpose of posting the note for the Biltmore? Consumer advocacy?

Why?

Why?
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
I don't understand the format of all these tasting notes you post.

Do you taste by yourself? For what purpose?

Are these wines you have bought or that were donated?

If you bought them, why this particular selections?

If they were donated, for what possible purpose?

Do you enjoy these solitary tastings?

Do you drink the wines sometimes?

Do you eat meals with them?

What is the purpose of posting the note for the Biltmore? Consumer advocacy?

Why?

Why?

Joe, far be it from me to know, but shouldn't you be kicking that new tumor's butt and not Thor's? Or, put another way, if you don't like them, why bother reading them?
 
when your neighbor's dog shits on your lawn, do you look the other way?

fb. (channeling cantona.)
 
originally posted by fatboy:

when your neighbor's dog shits on your lawn, do you look the other way?

fb. (channeling cantona.)

That is so complicated. I love dogs, hate yardwork and am ambivalent about neighbors.
 
yes, i have to agree with fatboy.

these sort of "tasting notes" are anti-wine, anti-joy, anti-life. i can't help but notice and defend wine, a noble drink from nature from such offensive attacks.

sorry.

furthermore, my oncologist is with me on this.
 
originally posted by Joe Dressner:
these sort of "tasting notes" are anti-wine, anti-joy, anti-life.

Joe, different strokes and all that. I have broken bread (bottles?) with Thor on many occasions and the last thing I'd say about him is the above.

My perception is that you have an agenda against Thor. It's come up time and time again. I don't care or need to know why that is. It *does* get tiresome to read the same rant from you over and over. If you need to make your point more than once, perhaps that point wasn't worth making to begin with. Just my personal take on matters.

One thing I learned from my Mom (a nearly born-and-bred Manhattan-ite, moved to W. 111th and Riverside Drive at the age of 2) is to cut through the bullshit. I'm seeing too much of it and that's unfortunate.
 
Larry:

I don't have an "agenda" against Thor.

I find him offensive, surly, anti-wine, unable to learn, unable to be humble, unable to experience anything out of an inner smugness that gives wine appreciation a bad name. It is all about Thor and crazy ideas he has that have nothing to do with nature and wine.

I know him for an awfully long time now, dating to the WLDG. When we started this board and Wine Therapy before that, I actually invited him here. I suggested to him that he participate and do his own blogs.

Thor seems to be independently wealthy and has no trouble tasting wine from all over the world.

I don't honestly understand the intent of many of his discourses here and wish he would make his agenda clearer. To me, it is like having James Sucking in his current incarnation posting here.

Does Thor work in the wine trade?

Does he pay for all these wines he drinks?

What is the thematic choice of what he writes about?

In what circumstances does he taste them?

Who is his target audience?

What his over goal and strategy? His agenda, so to speak?

I do question his honesty. He recently wrote in a series about natural wines as if this is a category he embraces. He does not and is as far away from such a category as could be. Why did he write for this series, where his major contribution was to fault Parisian hipster wine bars for not carry a healthy stock of Trimbach?

He recently called for a public lynching of Pierre Frick or some such thing.

I know he considers himself a personal friend of Trimbach's, but isn't this going to far.

Lately, he was on a campaign against Christian Binner, a producer who I think makes some great wines. In one of this week's Thorverson posts, Thor suggests that maybe Binner is finally getting it right and Thor might have actually enjoyed one of Binner's wines. It is beyond Thorverson reasoning that Thor might have gotten it wrong.

Finally, Larry, you are free to ignore anything I write if you find it tiresome. There are new people on this board and I see no reason to let them think that Thor Iverson is somehow in the mainstream of this community. You can enjoy his writing all you like. Just ignore mine.

Joe
 
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by fatboy:

when your neighbor's dog shits on your lawn, do you look the other way?

fb. (channeling cantona.)

That is so complicated. I love dogs, hate yardwork and am ambivalent about neighbors.

Mending wall.
 
One of the aspects that I have seen over and over again here on this particular place within the internet system is that if someone [Person A, let's say] is dismissive of a particular wine, a wine that is the result of (at least) a year's labor, that speaker is somehow seen as speaking the true word and the more courageous for it. But if somebody else [let's call him or her Person B] takes issue with how quickly the wine in question was batted away like a mosquito from the face, it is Person B, not A, who is called out as the asshole.

Which is bullshit.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
One of the aspects that I have seen over and over again here on this particular place within the internet system is that if someone [Person A, let's say] is dismissive of a particular wine, a wine that is the result of (at least) a year's labor, that speaker is somehow seen as speaking the true word and the more courageous for it. But if somebody else [let's call him or her Person B] takes issue with how quickly the wine in question was batted away like a mosquito from the face, it is Person B, not A, who is called out as the asshole.

Which is bullshit.

I get your point. And I agree that wine geeks (especially Americans who may be more removed than many Europeans from the realities of growing grapes and making wines) often make comments that do not respect the work that went into the wine. (I'm not sure Thor is one of those people, but that's a different story).

However let's not swing too far to the other end and call people assholes for criticizing wines. Putting in labor (no matter how much) does not make people immune from criticism or guarantee respect for the product. In any field, wine, art, literature, etc. There can be respect for the labor, but that's a different story from respecting the product.

And I say this as someone in an industry where people labor for years/decades to produce products that are consumed by very few people and respected by even fewer. So I'm sensitive to people being overly-dismissive.
 
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