Nobody's fault but mine

The '99s, especially from the usual suspects, will be fine in time. Patience is required. Yule, give the Prm time, preferably 10 more years.

I would strongly encourage people to wait for the creamy stage in German riesling - completely mindblowing when you get a good bottle.

The '96 kab is indeed great, and I have similarly high hopes for the late release '02 spt from Haart. The son is starting to take over the estate (as with the case at Willi Schaefer), and I'm very heartened by the most recent wines.

Merry Christmas, everyone. For some odd reason I'm drinking '04 Fugue de Nenin and wondering if I can get mulled wine spices...
 
originally posted by Yixin:
Merry Christmas, everyone. For some odd reason I'm drinking '04 Fugue de Nenin and wondering if I can get mulled wine spices...
Shouldn't be a problem in The East getting the spices.
 
Will have to take your word on '96, but extraordinary 02s indeed.

I would expect 08s to be mentioned in the same vein, perhaps with 96-like patience required (?)
 
originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by .sasha:
fb, thanks for checking up on hh for me.
owe you one.
but i guess i need to finish up those 97s first ?

i dunno. i'm not wild about the style of the 97s, espec for current drinking (though i admit was a total slut for the kabs when they first came out).

i'd be more inclined to leave them a while at the moment -- they may yet surprise us.

fb.

Right you are.

'97 Brucke was very good last night, but it's young. Would not call it blousy anymore but still enveloped. There is a texture that you'd still want clarified. But it's getting interesting due to much less sweetness upfront than what I remember. Sweeter in the finish, but with plenty of support - decent complexity there, both light and dark. Yellow, white, green, metallic pit, very little red, if any at all.
 
Thank you, Yixin. n00bs with their vintage charts.

So you've got a glass of young riseling in your hand. It's kinda soft and not as good as the previous points vintage. You have to think. First of all, do you care. If not, shut the fuck up. If you do care, then, vintage miracles aside, does the wine give up the goods upfront (while compromising structural integrity and potential longevity) or it is shy and not particularly concentrated now, but balanced? Here, you have to show a little respect for the dirt and for the people who hadn't let you down before since they kind of know what they are doing.

Well made Kabs in '99 from Donnhoff, Schaefer, Loosen, Zilliken, Christoffel, etc. were well worth the wait. I am sure the Spaetlesen are next. These are not wines that would show well when young or in midlife, they weren't meant to.

Why bother, you say? You have to do more thinking. Probably getting a headache by now, but that could be from the Chateauneuf. Do you like "Erdener Treppchen" or do you like "tasty German riesling"? Well, if the former, then playing with a glass of mature '99 will enhance your appreciation of the '98 and '01. And it will show you something that '98 and '01 will not, most likely.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Thank you, Yixin. n00bs with their vintage charts.

So you've got a glass of young riseling in your hand. It's kinda soft and not as good as the previous points vintage. You have to think. First of all, do you care. If not, shut the fuck up. If you do care, then, vintage miracles aside, does the wine give up the goods upfront (while compromising structural integrity and potential longevity) or it is shy and not particularly concentrated now, but balanced? Here, you have to show a little respect for the dirt and for the people who hadn't let you down before since they kind of know what they are doing.

Well made Kabs in '99 from Donnhoff, Schaefer, Loosen, Zilliken, Christoffel, etc. were well worth the wait. I am sure the Spaetlesen are next. These are not wines that would show well when young or in midlife, they weren't meant to.

Why bother, you say? You have to do more thinking. Probably getting a headache by now, but that could be from the Chateauneuf. Do you like "Erdener Treppchen" or do you like "tasty German riesling"? Well, if the former, then playing with a glass of mature '99 will enhance your appreciation of the '98 and '01. And it will show you something that '98 and '01 will not, most likely.

My favorite post since a while, but also sounds more like fb than the dotster. Maybe that is my imagination.
 
The question might be posed in the following way:

Given that this...

1. One dark night,
fired with love's urgent longings
- ah, the sheer grace! -
I went out unseen,
my house being now all stilled.

2. In darkness, and secure,
by the secret ladder, disguised,
- ah, the sheer grace! -
in darkness and concealment,
my house being now all stilled.

3. On that glad night,
in secret, for no one saw me,
nor did I look at anything,
with no other light or guide
than the one that burned in my heart.

4. This guided me
more surely than the light of noon
to where he was awaiting me
- him I knew so well -
there in a place where no one appeared.

5. O guiding night!
O night more lovely than the dawn!
O night that has united
the Lover with his beloved,
transforming the beloved in her Lover.

6. Upon my flowering breast
which I kept wholly for him alone,
there he lay sleeping,
and I caressing him
there in a breeze from the fanning cedars.

7. When the breeze blew from the turret,
as I parted his hair,
it wounded my neck
with its gentle hand,
suspending all my senses.

8. I abandoned and forgot myself,
laying my face on my Beloved;
all things ceased; I went out from myself,
leaving my cares
forgotten among the lilies.

from Saint John of the Cross

is possibly apt to turn with time into this...

Twas the night before Christmas, when all through the house
Not a creature was stirring, not even a mouse.
The stockings were hung by the chimney with care,
In hopes that St Nicholas soon would be there.

The children were nestled all snug in their beds,
While visions of sugar-plums danced in their heads.
And mamma in her kerchief, and I in my cap,
Had just settled our brains for a long winters nap.

When out on the lawn there arose such a clatter,
I sprang from the bed to see what was the matter.
Away to the window I flew like a flash,
Tore open the shutters and threw up the sash.

The moon on the breast of the new-fallen snow
Gave the lustre of mid-day to objects below.
When, what to my wondering eyes should appear,
But a miniature sleigh, and eight tinny reindeer.

With a little old driver, so lively and quick,
I knew in a moment it must be St Nick.
More rapid than eagles his coursers they came,
And he whistled, and shouted, and called them by name!

"Now Dasher! now, Dancer! now, Prancer and Vixen!
On, Comet! On, Cupid! on, on Donner and Blitzen!
To the top of the porch! to the top of the wall!
Now dash away! Dash away! Dash away all!"

As dry leaves that before the wild hurricane fly,
When they meet with an obstacle, mount to the sky.
So up to the house-top the coursers they flew,
With the sleigh full of Toys, and St Nicholas too.

And then, in a twinkling, I heard on the roof
The prancing and pawing of each little hoof.
As I drew in my head, and was turning around,
Down the chimney St Nicholas came with a bound.

He was dressed all in fur, from his head to his foot,
And his clothes were all tarnished with ashes and soot.
A bundle of Toys he had flung on his back,
And he looked like a peddler, just opening his pack.

His eyes-how they twinkled! his dimples how merry!
His cheeks were like roses, his nose like a cherry!
His droll little mouth was drawn up like a bow,
And the beard of his chin was as white as the snow.

The stump of a pipe he held tight in his teeth,
And the smoke it encircled his head like a wreath.
He had a broad face and a little round belly,
That shook when he laughed, like a bowlful of jelly!

He was chubby and plump, a right jolly old elf,
And I laughed when I saw him, in spite of myself!
A wink of his eye and a twist of his head,
Soon gave me to know I had nothing to dread.

He spoke not a word, but went straight to his work,
And filled all the stockings, then turned with a jerk.
And laying his finger aside of his nose,
And giving a nod, up the chimney he rose!

He sprang to his sleigh, to his team gave a whistle,
And away they all flew like the down of a thistle.
But I heard him exclaim, ere he drove out of sight,
"Happy Christmas to all, and to all a good-night!

from Clement Clarke Moore

one could reasonably ask...

if one desired in a riesling the taut and alluring youth, or the plump but specific detail lent by the passing hours and the fullness of time.

Merry Christmas.
 
A wise winzer told me that he had not had a disaster of a vintage since 1984, and even the Sptlese he made that year from his favourite vineyard was holding well on its long, slow decline. Some lower yield years, to be sure (1987, 1992 and 2000 were discussed that day), but nothing that made him wince. He also told me he was not enamoured of his own '82s when they were young, but that day we drank a superb Auslese, which he said had just aged glacially, retaining its large-boned, botrytis-influenced structure throughout the years.

Every year it's a learning and humbling experience.
 
Wanted to add that I think other folks who made great wine in '02 - Vollenweider (esp. the Portz), Joh. Jos. Prm, Fritz Haag and (whisper this) Knebel. But the following summer, the wine that made me tremble was Haart's. It made me want to travel back in time and impregnate someone so that I had an excuse to buy more wine for laying down. The Domherr was spectacular as well.

I feel like I've written this before, but at the end of every trip to the Mosel I never feel like I've bought enough Haart.
 
Thanks Yixin for the advice. I was thinking it would be best to lay them down and am glad I didn't open any out of curiosity.

And, to be honest, the great thing about maligned off-vintages is that you can get great wine for cheap prices, like I did with these Prums.

So hurrah for vintage charts!
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by fatboy:
originally posted by .sasha:
fb, thanks for checking up on hh for me.
owe you one.
but i guess i need to finish up those 97s first ?

i dunno. i'm not wild about the style of the 97s, espec for current drinking (though i admit was a total slut for the kabs when they first came out).

i'd be more inclined to leave them a while at the moment -- they may yet surprise us.

fb.

Right you are.

'97 Brucke was very good last night, but it's young. Would not call it blousy anymore but still enveloped. There is a texture that you'd still want clarified. But it's getting interesting due to much less sweetness upfront than what I remember. Sweeter in the finish, but with plenty of support - decent complexity there, both light and dark. Yellow, white, green, metallic pit, very little red, if any at all.

Extraordinary on day 2. I should have known. This wine "wants" to be an Auslese. Doesn't all Brucke do that, just like all Hermannshohle wants to be a Spaetlese? That's where the flavour evolution is pointing, the sweet spot (seriously no pun intended) in the balance between weight, texture and impressive acidity. Love the palate cleansing citrus and pit fruit here.
 
originally posted by .sasha:

This wine "wants" to be an Auslese. Doesn't all Brucke do that, just like all Hermannshohle wants to be a Spaetlese? That's where the flavour evolution is pointing, the sweet spot (seriously no pun intended) in the balance between weight, texture and impressive acidity.

Dot Man, you are just killing it with the insightful posts recently.

Thank you.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by .sasha:

This wine "wants" to be an Auslese. Doesn't all Brucke do that, just like all Hermannshohle wants to be a Spaetlese? That's where the flavour evolution is pointing, the sweet spot (seriously no pun intended) in the balance between weight, texture and impressive acidity.

Dot Man, you are just killing it with the insightful posts recently.

Thank you.

yes!

fb.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by .sasha:

This wine "wants" to be an Auslese. Doesn't all Brucke do that, just like all Hermannshohle wants to be a Spaetlese? That's where the flavour evolution is pointing, the sweet spot (seriously no pun intended) in the balance between weight, texture and impressive acidity.

Dot Man, you are just killing it with the insightful posts recently.

Thank you.

+1. Nice to be able to go back to being proude of the bored.
 
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