Wow!

originally posted by Bwood:

I agree with Thor's comment that Fla. Jim cursing comes across as cute.
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Welcome to "Wine Disorder", the best place on the internet to see Florida Jim say "Fuck You!"

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Okay, I'll own up to it. I liked the one Dugat-Py I've ever had (a 2000 Charmes-Chambertin IIRC). It was definitely new worldy in style but not so overoaked and overextracted in a Claude Dugat way (whose wines I can't stand).

I wouldn't pay the going rate but I thought it was really good.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
Okay, I'll own up to it. I liked the one Dugat-Py I've ever had (a 2000 Charmes-Chambertin IIRC). It was definitely new worldy in style but not so overoaked and overextracted in a Claude Dugat way (whose wines I can't stand).

I wouldn't pay the going rate but I thought it was really good.
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I once took the 1999 Dugat-Py, Vosne Romanee to dinner with a friend who makes pinot. First sip, he said it was too new world for him. By the end of the night, he noted that is original impression was wrong.
I know these can make an impression that isn't exactly what you and I are looking for but I also think that, with time, they may show us more than we first discern.
Dugat, OTOH, not so much.
And your comment on price is well taken - the bottles I have are the last I'll own.
Best, Jim
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
As soon as one thinks about it, the problem becomes whether the term designates whores with hearts of gold, women who are no better than they ought to be, women of easy virtue, all or only some of the above.

Once you get to 20th century literature, the figure starts to fall into genre fiction since modernism became uninterested in the kind of domestic fiction that made the character either comic or sentimental-tragic, depending on the plot. But she's all over hard boiled detective stuff and film noirs. You can go on from there.
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I'm not sure I've got the definition down, but how about Brenda Last?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Generally, I agree. But there was a minor character in Liaisons Dangereuses on whose rump Valmont wrote a punning love letter to Mme. de Tourvel.
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That was Emilie, I think.

Mme. de Merteuil was no slouch.

And, on a different front entirely, how about Polly Peachum?
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Generally, I agree. But there was a minor character in Liaisons Dangereuses on whose rump Valmont wrote a punning love letter to Mme. de Tourvel.
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That was Emilie, I think.

Mme. de Merteuil was no slouch.

And, on a different front entirely, how about Polly Peachum?
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Mme. de Merteuil was no slouch, but also no floozy.
 
Floozies exist aplenty as stock characters in Elizabethan drama, along with their cousin vixens, slatterns and minxes. Maria in Twelfth Night, Doll in Northward Ho!, Cressida in Troilus and Cressida, Winifred in The Devil's Lawcase, Mistress Quickly, Doll Tearsheet, Mistress Overdone, the list of amiably scheming sluts goes on at least as far as any list of female characters will go in that age.
 
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