Why is it that this year - 2009 - there is shitloads of cru Beaujolais floating around, like truly Bordeaux quantities of the stuff when we were all lead to believe these are 'artisanal' products that are made in such limited supplies? I mean, everybody and their mother is selling Lapierre, Foilliard, etc. etc., retailers that wouldn't even touch the wine are now selling boatloads to the masses. Can anybody clue me in on what the production levels (of the producers Disorderists would enjoy) really are? I'm beginning to think there are somethign like 20-30,000 case lots of these wines made.
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Since we can't buy Overnoy...
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originally posted by MarkS:
Since we can't buy Overnoy...Why is it that this year - 2009 - there is shitloads of cru Beaujolais floating around, like truly Bordeaux quantities of the stuff when we were all lead to believe these are 'artisanal' products that are made in such limited supplies? I mean, everybody and their mother is selling Lapierre, Foilliard, etc. etc., retailers that wouldn't even touch the wine are now selling boatloads to the masses. Can anybody clue me in on what the production levels (of the producers Disorderists would enjoy) really are? I'm beginning to think there are somethign like 20-30,000 case lots of these wines made.
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Joe Dressner
Joe Dressner
We imported something like 1200 cases of Coudert, between the regular and Tardive. Everything was much less, from Brun, etc.
There are not 20-30,000 case lots of all these wines.
There are not 20-30,000 case lots of all these wines.
John McIlwain
John McIlwain
And thanks for importing those. And all the others. Having customers who've never had real wines return for them is one of the real bright spots in retail this time of year.originally posted by Joe Dressner:
We imported something like 1200 cases of Coudert, between the regular and Tardive. Everything was much less, from Brun, etc.
There are not 20-30,000 case lots of all these wines.
Best, John
JSchwartze
JSchwartze
originally posted by MarkS:
Since we can't buy Overnoy...Why is it that this year - 2009 - there is shitloads of cru Beaujolais floating around, like truly Bordeaux quantities of the stuff when we were all lead to believe these are 'artisanal' products that are made in such limited supplies? I mean, everybody and their mother is selling Lapierre, Foilliard, etc. etc., retailers that wouldn't even touch the wine are now selling boatloads to the masses. Can anybody clue me in on what the production levels (of the producers Disorderists would enjoy) really are? I'm beginning to think there are somethign like 20-30,000 case lots of these wines made.
Just because you think that something is so doesn't make it so. Myopia is curable but it takes a little effort on the part of the afflicted.
originally posted by MarkS:
I'm beginning to think there are somethign like 20-30,000 case lots of these wines made.
Foillard is around 20 000, Lapierre more like 15 000.
Far from the Bordeaux levels though, at least Rive Gauche.
JSchwartze
JSchwartze
originally posted by MarkS:
Since we can't buy Overnoy...Why is it that this year - 2009 - there is shitloads of cru Beaujolais floating around, like truly Bordeaux quantities of the stuff when we were all lead to believe these are 'artisanal' products that are made in such limited supplies? I mean, everybody and their mother is selling Lapierre, Foilliard, etc. etc., retailers that wouldn't even touch the wine are now selling boatloads to the masses. Can anybody clue me in on what the production levels (of the producers Disorderists would enjoy) really are? I'm beginning to think there are somethign like 20-30,000 case lots of these wines made.
Foillard has, what, about 12 hectares of vines? Max yield for Cru Beaujolais is 48 hl/ha, right? One hl = 133 bottles. So that's 6,384 bottles per hectare. That means with a max yield (and not accounting for the usual dispensation to allow for a larger crop) Foillard would make about 75,000 ~ 80,000 bottles of wine annually. How much does Kermit Lynch get? Maybe somebody has more accurate details.
John Kafarski
John Kafarski
With any luck the Beatle-mania that surrounding the feeding frenzy for '09 Beaujolais continues next year. I am lucky enough to sell many of Joe's Beaujolais in the NYC market it was truly an eye opening experience what Beaujolais has to offer. Having quality wine and the help of knowledgeable retailers/somms makes it easy for Jersey wine buyers to find something else besides big balls California Cabernet and the next vintage of the century in Bordeaux. Though I would probably make more money if production levels were higher, its nice to run out and have to wait in anticipation for next year's vintage.
Foillard would make about 75,000 ~ 80,000 bottles of wine annually.
Damn, that is a lot. Funny that I see his wines less often than I do some of the more 'obscure' names.
Thanks for the datsa imputs!
originally posted by JSchwartze:
Numbersoriginally posted by MarkS:
Since we can't buy Overnoy...Why is it that this year - 2009 - there is shitloads of cru Beaujolais floating around, like truly Bordeaux quantities of the stuff when we were all lead to believe these are 'artisanal' products that are made in such limited supplies? I mean, everybody and their mother is selling Lapierre, Foilliard, etc. etc., retailers that wouldn't even touch the wine are now selling boatloads to the masses. Can anybody clue me in on what the production levels (of the producers Disorderists would enjoy) really are? I'm beginning to think there are somethign like 20-30,000 case lots of these wines made.
Foillard has, what, about 12 hectares of vines? Max yield for Cru Beaujolais is 48 hl/ha, right? One hl = 133 bottles. So that's 6,384 bottles per hectare. That means with a max yield (and not accounting for the usual dispensation to allow for a larger crop) Foillard would make about 75,000 ~ 80,000 bottles of wine annually. How much does Kermit Lynch get? Maybe somebody has more accurate details.
13.80 ha in 2006. And quite a bit of land was acquired since.
What about purchased grapes???
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Why do I get the feeling that Eric is trying to start a food fight?
Merry Christmas!
Merry Christmas!
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Does Foillard purchase grapes for his wines?
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
By the way, there's a little thing on Overnoy in Wine Terroirs now.
Joe Dressner
Joe Dressner
I have no idea what quantities Foillard purchases, but I do know he buys Py from Coquelet.
Foillard's wines remain superb and all power to him!
Foillard's wines remain superb and all power to him!
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
I hear Coquelet's rep is pretty good. Good thing he's not buying from those Drouhin growers :)
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
By the way, there's a little thing on Overnoy in Wine Terroirs now.
All we need: more hype.
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originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
I hear Coquelet's rep is pretty good. Good thing he's not buying from those Drouhin growers :)
Go taste a Saint Amour, dude.
Happy holidays!
georg lauer
georg lauer
I think that actually quite a few of the producers that excite us here sell more in the US than in Europe. As an example, Marc Ollivier is not sold in Germany at all from what I know. We seem to therefore get pretty good allocations over here, thanks to more crazy drinkers and importers in the US.