Since we can't buy Overnoy...

originally posted by Arno Tronche:
For some reasons, there's plenty of wines that are easier to find in the US than in France. Two months ago, I was home for a week and I was looking to buy some Fourrier to stock in our cellar in France. This was simply impossible to find ! Some producers I guess simply choose to export the majority of their wine.
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I think the quick story is:

1. Jean-Marie's father told the devil that he wouldn't manipulate his wines for points.

2. The devil proceeded to give him low scores because the wines were not appropriately spoofed.

3. The stared restaurants dropped the wines.

4. Jean-Marie started exported a huge percentage of the wines.

...or something like that.
 
originally posted by Mark Davis:
originally posted by Arno Tronche:
For some reasons, there's plenty of wines that are easier to find in the US than in France. Two months ago, I was home for a week and I was looking to buy some Fourrier to stock in our cellar in France. This was simply impossible to find ! Some producers I guess simply choose to export the majority of their wine.
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I think the quick story is:

1. Jean-Marie's father told the devil that he wouldn't manipulate his wines for points.

2. The devil proceeded to give him low scores because the wines were not appropriately spoofed.

3. The stared restaurants dropped the wines.

4. Jean-Marie started exported a huge percentage of the wines.

...or something like that.
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i would think the export market is more concerned about points than the home team.
 
That was my first thought, too. My second thought was that, if the distribution of non-point geeks is fairly even across borders, there will be larger numbers of them outside of France than in it, and that the US would offer a reasonably good concentration of such buyers in a single market.

Ah, conjecture.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
That was my first thought, too. My second thought was that, if the distribution of non-point geeks is fairly even across borders, there will be larger numbers of them outside of France than in it, and that the US would offer a reasonably good concentration of such buyers in a single market.

Ah, conjecture.
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I don't think wine importing/exporting works like that.
 
originally posted by Tom Glasgow:
How often is Beaujolais found in Alsace, Loire, etc.?
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Often, in hipster places and even not. I'm not sure it's as true of other wines.

In my limited experience, of course.

There is a bit of a hipster circuit.
 
originally posted by Mark Davis:
I think the quick story is:

1. Jean-Marie's father told the devil that he wouldn't manipulate his wines for points.

2. The devil proceeded to give him low scores because the wines were not appropriately spoofed.

3. The stared restaurants dropped the wines.

4. Jean-Marie started exported a huge percentage of the wines.

...or something like that.
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FWW, Old issues of the vine reveal that clive thought the estate's production improved significantly when Jean-Marie took over the winemaking - and as you know, clive's no disciple of the points guy.
 
originally posted by maureen:

FWW, Old issues of the vine reveal that clive thought the estate's production improved significantly when Jean-Marie took over the winemaking - and as you know, clive's no disciple of the points guy.
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when did j-m take over?
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by maureen:

FWW, Old issues of the vine reveal that clive thought the estate's production improved significantly when Jean-Marie took over the winemaking - and as you know, clive's no disciple of the points guy.
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when did j-m take over?
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1994
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by maureen:

FWW, Old issues of the vine reveal that clive thought the estate's production improved significantly when Jean-Marie took over the winemaking - and as you know, clive's no disciple of the points guy.
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when did j-m take over?
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1994
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Thanks. Well, he is certainly doing fantastic work, but 85 Combe aux Moines and 83 Clos St Jacques (mag) a year ago were quite special.
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Mark Davis:
I think the quick story is:

1. Jean-Marie's father told the devil that he wouldn't manipulate his wines for points.

2. The devil proceeded to give him low scores because the wines were not appropriately spoofed.

3. The stared restaurants dropped the wines.

4. Jean-Marie started exported a huge percentage of the wines.

...or something like that.
Click to expand...

FWW, Old issues of the vine reveal that clive thought the estate's production improved significantly when Jean-Marie took over the winemaking - and as you know, clive's no disciple of the points guy.
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Interesting... I never tried old vintages from Fourrier so I can not comment on the improvements but people in France are much less interested in points so I'm not sure the points thing is the main reason. But who knows?!
 
Just got back from Paris and Nice, will write some stuff up tomorrow.

But, Lapierre and Foillard were both on multiple restaurant lists over there, so it's not like all their production comes over here, not by a long shot.
 
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