The Franken Silvaner thread

originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by SteveTimko:
This exploration of Silvaner isn't proving to be easy. I had hoped I found a gem at Corti Bros.
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Two problems:

1. Franken wines are so popular in Franken that importers are forced to pay full price which means that the wines are fairly expensive when they get over here which means that most people (importers, distributors, wholesalers) don't want to handle them.

2. The (largely unjustified) prejudice against German dry wines created by one or more importers.
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And here I thought it was the damned bottle shape!

Just how does a mixed case of bocksbeutels with 'regular' bottles, anyway?
 
I've got a special spot to store about six or seven outside my regular boxes. Not ideal for long-term, but it will work for the short term. Which is all I want.
I've had others point out an eBob that a case of bocksbeutal is the same size as a case of regular wine bottles.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:

Also, don't feel that you have to buy only the top end. Castell has some delicious offerings, including an excelleng generic QbA trocken, starting around $14-15.
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I remember tasting the Castell wines with you, Claude, and I agree that even the every day bottling was very good. I love Sylvaner.
 
originally posted by SteveTimko:
StorageI've got a special spot to store about six or seven outside my regular boxes. Not ideal for long-term, but it will work for the short term. Which is all I want.
I've had others point out an eBob that a case of bocksbeutal is the same size as a case of regular wine bottles.
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When you find a retailer who is selling the wines, ask if they have any extra boxes. Also, some producers, notably Frst, Castell (including the QbA I mentioned above) and Wirsching for certain bottlings, are now using Burgundy or Bordeaux-style bottles.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Steve -- Tom Elliot with Northwest Wines in San Francisco distributes Juliusspital. If you have a problem finding his contact information, e-mail me and I can help you.

Weimax's website indicates that they have Ruck Riesling but not Silvaner, but that probably indicates that they would be able to get the Silvaner for you.
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Tom Elliott out of the basic bottling has some 2006 grosse gewachs he can sell me through a wine store. I agreed to buy two, but then it dawned on me. How soon will these show well? If this is something that needs four or five years to come around around, I really don't have a place to store it.

So my question for Claude or anyone else is how long until a 2006 Juliusspital grosse gewaches is ready to drink?
 
They should be ready to go now. I just had the 2007 Juliusspital Silvaner trocken QbA about 10 days ago -- absolutely delicious. It's being ipmorted in Oregon by Ewald Moseler Wines in Portland.
 
2007 Hans Wirsching Iphfer Kronsberg Silvaner trocken - Germany, Franken (1/14/2010)
I'm on the fence whether I llike this wine. I'm mainly withholding judgment because I was forced to pop and pour and it may have gotten better with more air.
I brought it mainly to go with the seafood dishes at the Peruvian restaurant El Tumi and it accomplished that task well. there was a gentle but sharp acidity that complemented the scallops especially well. It's a pure, focused wine with an excellent cut. Citrus and some melon flavors. Okay finish. But it's also one dimensional. Too simple. I don't know enough of the wine to know if it will improve with age. I need to open a bottle when I could spend some time with it. A Rudi Wiest import.
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This Reno restaurant, El Tumi, was where I was supposed to have a Jeebus with Jay but I had to cancel because I got snowed in. The food was better here last week than before. Kind of a shame I couldn't meet with Jay.

This is scallops, catfish ceviche on sweet potato, oysters and my favorite, shrimp and fish breaded with a spicy cornmeal.

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2007 Brgerspital zum hl. Geist Wrzburger Abtsleite Silvaner trocken - Germany, Franken (3/1/2010)
Ah yes, this is the stuff. After several misfires chasing after another good Franken Silvaner, I finally found one with this wine. All the good adjectives apply here. Crisp. Pure. Focused. Minerally. Balanced. The flavors are yellow apple and some spices I can't quite pin down. Maybe a flourish of honey on the finish. Good finish. The wine is both rich and lean. I like this a lot.
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Steve, I had the 2007 Steinmann when I was back in the US a couple weeks back and really liked it. It too was both rich and lean, with complex aromatics, textural weight and decent length. Good value at the $17 I paid, I thought.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
What does a styro shipper for these look like?
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The only ones I've seen are from Germany and they are rectangular with cutouts in the the bocksbeutel shape. They may not be available any more -- I think everyone in Germany has gone green and uses cardboard shippers now.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
You can still buy those funny shippers from the big emporium near Wittlich.
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Wittlich? Wittlich??? Is anyone in the Mosel using bocksbeutel or is this just a closeout that they bought out?
 
It seems to have everything. Herbicides, tractors, bottles (including bocksbeutel magnums) and shippers. I was sent there to buy wooden pallets...
 
Hmm, Hans Wirsching's daughter, Andrea, is married to Christain Ebert at Schlo Saarstein. Think Wirsching buys his bottles in Wittlich? ;)
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
Steve, I had the 2007 Steinmann when I was back in the US a couple weeks back and really liked it. It too was both rich and lean, with complex aromatics, textural weight and decent length. Good value at the $17 I paid, I thought.
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Joel:
Thanks. I don't suppose you know where it was purchased? This stuff is hard to track down.
 
Steve, I bought it at the Tacoma branch of Metropolitan Market. The wine buyer there should be able to help you out I would think.
 
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