Wines of the Jura

No I stated that the only Chapoutier and Graillot wines I liked were in excess of Au$150 here and as someone who enjoys great PN at up to Au$150 I am not interested in spending lots of money on top end Rhone for the hype factor. So, what I am after is small places, clean wine without the hype based on visits to cellar door like Georg did in Jura than wine that is seen via importers unless the two coincide. I have tasted quite a few Rhone wines here up to Au$300 from a base of Au$50 and remember that we have 49% tax on wines downunder, which I have spoken to friends about who have visited cellar doors of Chapoutier and a few others. I may well be on mission impossible, and I have very low expectation of Rhone whites as someone who tends to not enjoy Viognier. I am there for the reds but happy to try whites if folk have special recommendations as many of those can be tried at restaurants. Remember, my friends have different tastes than I, one even prefers shiraz to Pinot and the other regularly drinks Riesling but neither spend the huge $$ needed for imported versions.
 
David

I am not sure whether they receive visitors but I really enjoy both the white and red St. Josephs from Bernard Gripa in Mauves. I buy them at a dealer in Germany where they start around 20 Euro, so they might be reasonably priced at winery. Their top wines "Le Berceau" cost roughly double and red but almost more so the white age very well.

The dealer also recommends the Condrieus from Andre Perret in Chavannay. The description (and they are usually very good at this) suggest a very mineral driven and fresh wine.

Good luck

Georg
 
originally posted by georg lauer:
Condrieus from Andre Perret in Chavannay
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I used to like these, but I haven't tried one in quite a while.

There are interesting Rhone whites that are not from viognier, of course.

Our own Brezeme makes the only one I currently buy.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Our own Brezeme makes the only one I currently buy.
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Two, I would think. Although good luck finding one of them.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Our own Brezeme makes the only one I currently buy.
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Two, I would think. Although good luck finding one of them.
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We get the Janrode in Seattle.
Amazing wine.
It must be from a great terroir to get that combination of fruit and minerals.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I had a taste of Villard "Les Terrasses" '04 Condrieu this evening and it wasn't at all as oaky/terrible as I would have presupposed. Rather mineral driven and nice, I thought. We are talking about a small taste here, though.
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Shouldn't you be staying far away from viognier??
 
Very useful feedback thanks everyone. We buy wine to consume on the holiday and rarely bring anything home because it's awkward and we get hit by 5% duty,then 39% WET tax then a 10% GST. All compounded!!! If I find anything great or of value I point one of my importer friends and they sometimes agree and we see it downunder. I will even drink things I don't normally enjoy eg I actually drank Cab based muck when we were in Bordeaux for a few days once. So thanks again, I will try GSM, bretty stuff, natural stuff, Rousanne, Viognier because I am a great believer in embracing the local food and wine.
 
originally posted by georg lauer:

I am not sure whether they receive visitors but I really enjoy both the white and red St. Josephs from Bernard Gripa in Mauves.
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The 2006 Gripa basic red and white St. Joseph were available in my market, and I enjoyed them both enough to put away a few bottles of each. The 2006 red showed really well a month or two ago; I'm planning on opening a white in the near future.
 
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
originally posted by georg lauer:

I am not sure whether they receive visitors but I really enjoy both the white and red St. Josephs from Bernard Gripa in Mauves.
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The 2006 Gripa basic red and white St. Joseph were available in my market, and I enjoyed them both enough to put away a few bottles of each. The 2006 red showed really well a month or two ago; I'm planning on opening a white in the near future.
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Thanks Steve, where is your market? I gather Georg is Germany and SF Joe is USA but ....
 
originally posted by lars makie:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Lars, your first link loops right back to this thread. If there's a write-up on an Arbois visit, it's be great to have access.

Thanks.
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Thanks for the heads up. I don't know what's going on. There seems to be a bug. Every time I paste a URL into the code it saves it as "5%C". No idea why. Politburo?

Until the html can get fixed, if you (or anyone) want to find the thread do a search for 'grapiot' it's the first thing that comes up
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This bug should now be fixed. test link.
 
originally posted by David Lloyd:
originally posted by Steve Guattery:
originally posted by georg lauer:

I am not sure whether they receive visitors but I really enjoy both the white and red St. Josephs from Bernard Gripa in Mauves.
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The 2006 Gripa basic red and white St. Joseph were available in my market, and I enjoyed them both enough to put away a few bottles of each. The 2006 red showed really well a month or two ago; I'm planning on opening a white in the near future.
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Thanks Steve, where is your market? I gather Georg is Germany and SF Joe is USA but ....
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Central Pennsylvania, US of A. We have a state-run monopoly that controls wine and liquor sales. Beyond the major brands, it's hard to predict what will show up and in which vintages, but every so often interesting things become available.
 
Last night my monthly tasting group looked at Gamays amongst other things. Organized by Nat White of Main Ridge Estate and served blind with no hint given about variety or year.
Three Australian of very different styles, Marcel Lapierre, Vissoux La Griottes and Yazgan (Turkey) and mine. All tasted blind. The 3 Aussies were of very different styles as were the 2 French. Lapierre was lanolin like flavours, light brett like flavour too and a hint of Blueberry. The Vissoux was bursting with bubblegum style fruit a la Maceration Carbonique. Almost a 3 way tie for favourite between the 2 French and my Gamay. Most of the group are Pinot makers so not enamoured with Gamay so it was a good result seeing the range of styles etc.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Seems odd that pinot makers would not be enamored of Gamay.
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They don't like Brett and two had brett like flavours. I haven't got the $80 lab test back on the Lapierre yet but it tasted about the same as Foillard Cote de Py 2007 that I had tested at around 400 for 4EP. Those less sensitive loved the Morgon, some didn't like the higher tannin in mine but loved the fruit/bubblegum stuff associated with the Vissoux. I noticed that the Beaujolais prefer people to drink the stuff at 16ish Celsius which generally seems to improve the tannin feel and flavour, especially of mine. One of the group worked out what was going on quickly but he did spend a week looking at great examples with Wendy and I in 2008 and when we left he had 18 btls we couldn't polish off to tide him over for vintage in Vosne Romanee. He likes Gamay.
 
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