TN: Difficulties in the Cellar (Jan. 17, 2011)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
It is a holiday in the US, Martin Luther King, Jr. Day, so a few of us met in the storage cellar in NYC to pull a few corks in honor of the life of the martyred hero. We had no anima n-word nor did any cute little servants pour Cote du Frontonnais for us. We had a good time, anyway.

Well.

We had a good time if you're really rather Disorderly:

Sitting alone, The Famously Prompt and Unoaked Jay Miller spread out two cheeses (Dorset, Landaff) and a whole cooked lobster and a few bottles:

Dom. Collier 2005 Saumur Blanc - made by the nephew of the fellow who runs Clos Rougeard; it's chenin with the taste of old wood and a slight oxidation; not a bad match with the lobster but it's not my sort of thing

Muller-Catoir 1998 Haardter Burgergarten Riesling Spatlese Halbtrocken - 5 174 079 14 99, ah, Number 1 on Gunter's Greatest Geek Wines Parade, the zip has faded a little but it still has copious apricots on entry, the texture is weighty but not viscous, and a long finish that isn't quite sweet and isn't quite dry

Dom. Fourrier 1998 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Combes Aux Moines" - hm, something smells not quite right, not obvious TCA, still minerally but the wine is skinny, we'll wait a bit and see what happens with more time in the decanter

After some time tapping his toes and drumming his fingers -- it was cold where he was sitting -- Jay ate much of the lobster.

Soon, he was joined by Your Able Reporter and then Jayson Cohen, whose mysterious ailment is being treated by medicines that cause him to spit out wine he doesn't like too much.

The spread continued to, um, spread with the addition of an olive bread, slices of rare roast beef, and of lamb pastrami.

But with only one workable wine on the table, we all dash to open more wine:

Edmunds St John 1995 Syrah "Durrell Vineyard" - awwwf, what a stink, and not much better when tasted, another one to sit in the decanter for a while (and hope that Dressner and/or Bueker are praying for it)

Dom. Dujac 1998 Morey-St-Denis GC "Clos de la Roche" - a whiff of perfumey spoof, of course, but there's a lot of lovely wine here; so young still!; better leave it sit for a while to breathe

Bother. Still not much to drink. Another wine is needed:

Thomas-Labaille 2005 Sancerre "Les Aristides" - I was a little iffy about this wine immediately after the pop but it opens up beautifully, all stones and peaches and a whisper of lime

Joe, the cellar-master for Chambers Street, saunters by the table and we pounceinvite him to join us. He said he was in a hurry so he only stayed a half-hour. And he opened an additional bottle:

Dom. Closel (Ch. des Vaults) 2005 Savennieres "Clos Papillon" - Joe is a big booster for Savennieres so, despite three shaking heads and a threatening susurrus of "that will be closed down hard", here we go: crisp and clean on entry, then a rush of lanolin and wax, and then... it fizzles out; rather anti-climactic; he stuffs a cork back in it and is going to let it sit for two or three days

Soon the Dotster arrives and he is eager to talk physics with Jayson. We only hear bits and pieces: "I understand gravity." "There must be another force pushing it in that direction."

Once he gets that out of his system, Sasha pours:

Dom. de la Chevalerie (P. Caslot) 1996 Bourgueil "Busardieres" - the real deal, pitch-perfect cab franc... earth, tobacco, a bit of currants and a bit of green pepper, great wine

SF Joe makes a brief appearance, as do the Ambient Stockists of the cellar, and the geekery is so thick you can cut it with a knife.

As it turns out, that's a good thing because we start making the rounds of the wines in the decanters and things have changed for the better:

Edmunds St John 1995 Syrah "Durrell Vineyard" - still not as good a bottle as Jay reported a few weeks ago but the nose is much less offensive, the wine now tastes like syrah, warm and redfruited, the finish is silky and suddenly full of violets

Dom. Dujac 1998 Morey-St-Denis GC "Clos de la Roche" - this is starting to open up and is lovely but, per the Geek Handbook, we all talk about why Clos St Denis might be better; the nose and finish both reek of old lady handkerchief but the wine is weightless and fruity

Dom. Fourrier 1998 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Combes Aux Moines" - this is rocks and animal glands and a few smashed bitter cherries, not your grandmere's idea of wine but it's really interesting; Sasha suggests that this is how this vineyard should be; I wish Jay had opened a magnum of this so there'd still be some to follow in the next few hours

Sasha and Jayson nip upstairs because the table needs refreshing. They return with two more breads, more roast beef, and a pig liver, bacon, and onion pate that is just wonderful with the riesling (which has also continued to blossom while we were struggling with the red wines).

Soon enough, those ambient stockists want to go home -- we are still here nearly an hour after closing time -- so we pack up what little remains of the victuals and stride out into the cold. Sasha and I cannot bear street elevation for long and find the nearest subway while Jay makes a beeline for a nearby bakery. He isn't finished yet?
 
Nice write up: you guys memorialize in style. Thanks.

Hasn't it been established that Gravity doesn't exist as an independent force? It's just a thermodynamic phenomenon.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:

Hasn't it been established that Gravity doesn't exist as an independent force? It's just a thermodynamic phenomenon.
Don't make us sic Loesberg on you.

Speaking of sic, remind me sometime to tell you the one about the wildcatter in the Denver airport.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Nice write up: you guys memorialize in style. Thanks.

Hasn't it been established that Gravity doesn't exist as an independent force? It's just a thermodynamic phenomenon.

No, Ian. General relativity posits gravity as a distortion of spacetime and many of its predictions (black holes, gravitational lenses, etc.) have been substantiated by experiment. But... no one has yet managed to unify general relativity with quantum mechanics (i.e., the Standard Model)* which serves as a note of caution regarding the "reality" of Einsteinian gravity. In particular, the search for gravitons (the QM particles mediating the gravitational force according to the Standard Model) has to date proven unsuccessful, and not from lack of effort.

Mark Lipton

* (Super)string theories purport to sidestep that particular inconsistency by replacing subatomic particles with loops. Simple, no? Too bad those theories aren't testable (yet?)
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Nice write up: you guys memorialize in style. Thanks.

Hasn't it been established that Gravity doesn't exist as an independent force? It's just a thermodynamic phenomenon.

No, Ian. General relativity posits gravity as a distortion of spacetime and many of its predictions (black holes, gravitational lenses, etc.) have been substantiated by experiment. But... no one has yet managed to unify general relativity with quantum mechanics (i.e., the Standard Model)* which serves as a note of caution regarding the "reality" of Einsteinian gravity. In particular, the search for gravitons (the QM particles mediating the gravitational force according to the Standard Model) has to date proven unsuccessful, and not from lack of effort.

Mark Lipton

* (Super)string theories purport to sidestep that particular inconsistency by replacing subatomic particles with loops. Simple, no? Too bad those theories aren't testable (yet?)

There has been a recent development (reported breathlessly in the NYTimes earlier in 2010, no less) offering an explanation of gravity as a result of entropy:

 
originally posted by Zachary Ross:

There has been a recent development (reported breathlessly in the NYTimes earlier in 2010, no less) offering an explanation of gravity as a result of entropy:


Thanks for that, Zachary. So we have a proposal which is "not [yet] a theory" and which is "quite incomplete." I think that I'll give it a few years before tossing out my Physics texts.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Nice write up: you guys memorialize in style. Thanks.

Hasn't it been established that Gravity doesn't exist as an independent force? It's just a thermodynamic phenomenon.

No, Ian. General relativity posits gravity as a distortion of spacetime and many of its predictions (black holes, gravitational lenses, etc.) have been substantiated by experiment. But... no one has yet managed to unify general relativity with quantum mechanics (i.e., the Standard Model)* which serves as a note of caution regarding the "reality" of Einsteinian gravity. In particular, the search for gravitons (the QM particles mediating the gravitational force according to the Standard Model) has to date proven unsuccessful, and not from lack of effort.

Mark Lipton

* (Super)string theories purport to sidestep that particular inconsistency by replacing subatomic particles with loops. Simple, no? Too bad those theories aren't testable (yet?)

Yes, right; I was jokingly alluding to the ideas bandied about in the NYT article referenced above by Zachary. Sort of a sic joke. The abstract for the underlying paper is here. (I have the whole paper in PDF in case you don't have membership privileges at the APS and would like to read it.)

I do have a question regarding black holes and entropy, however: is energy-matter theoretically (pre-string) collapsed down to a dimensionless point? (String theorists, I think, maintain it is collapsed to a size with dimension, but the dimensions are smaller than a Planck length and therefore undetectable as far as we're concerned). If so, how are energy and matter conserved when they are captured in a black hole's gravitational field?
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
And string theory requires that we have nine dimensions. Or is that eight?

Eleven, I think, at least in Edward Whitten's 'M' theory. The Elegant Universe would be right up your alley, Oswaldo.
 
I so don't know anything about gravity, relativity, quantum mechanics or anything else in this thread with regard to physics. If it hadn't been for Joe telling Ian to watch out for me, I would have read silently with uncomprehending interest.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
And string theory requires that we have nine dimensions. Or is that eight?

Eleven, I think, at least in Edward Whitten's 'M' theory, which I believe is still the most-liked version. The Elegant Universe would be right up your alley, Oswaldo.

Just scanned the wiki entry on string theory, appears pretty good (not that I can really tell).
 
unsurprisingly, I liked the Collier a lot more than Jeff. It was (as I expected) a fine match with the lobster. Of course I ended up eating most of the lobster while waiting for people to show up.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
And string theory requires that we have nine dimensions. Or is that eight?

Eleven, I think, at least in Edward Whitten's 'M' theory, which I believe is still the most-liked version. The Elegant Universe would be right up your alley, Oswaldo.

Just scanned the wiki entry on string theory, appears pretty good (not that I can really tell).

Universe has a lot of historical and contextual stuff that, I warrant, you'd sponge up.
 
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