Has anyone here had the 2008 Lafarge Bourgogne?

Herbal and under-ripe.

The upper-end wines from Lafarge didn't seem affected.

Caillerets was good. Chenes is good. Ducs was borderline - also got some of the herbalness, but it was perfectly balanced and well made other than just a tad of that...

Tasted a bunch of 09s tonight. I think I'm going to like 08s a lot better...in general...but I think you have to be careful at the bottom end.

-mark
 
I found the tannins choppy and the wine surprisingly austere, but this was just after it hit Hong Kong. Didn't taste green to me, though.
 
Having to be careful at the bottom end is not necessarily the end of the world. Remember '93?
 
the bottom end was not at all bad in 93. i've had brilliant generics, fixin, st aubin, chorey, ladoix -- not to mention that roty marsannay that you plied me with before the holidays. 'course, you had to drink the lower 93s at the right time (which was often later than usual) but that's not new. the "93 made some great wines but otherwise it is all crap / inconsistent" line is something the assbags who called the vintage wrong made up to retrospectively try to cover up for all the shite they were talking at the time. allowing for the normal vicissitudes of the cote d'or, i'd say the failure rate for 93 is lower than usual, not worse, even from lesser sites.

as for lafarge bourgogne, it is always a tough call. for example, the 01 tasted herbal and underripe when it arrived, and it turned into one of my favorite editions of this wine ever (despite the reputation of the vintage in the area, what with hail and everything), whereas the 02 was ripe at the get go and closed down into a blocky tannic mess that i've been surreptitiously dumping on sideboards at parties for years now (yeah yeah, i know it'll come round, but i'm never going to love the style). fwiw, i think the passetoutgrains is a reasonable index for the lafarge bourgogne. whenever the former has been lean or shrill, i've liked the latter (given a bit of time). otherwise, in these days of climbing temperatures, i find a little bit of gamay goes a long way.

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funny about lafarge '01 - lovely bourgogne and straight village (in a filtered koolaid sort of way), but then problems up the ladder.
I've not looked at my 08 notes from barrel (they are across the room, and there is not way I am getting up now), but I don't recall thinking it was a particularly cru-weighted vintage. So probably an early in-bottle thing going on.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
funny about lafarge '01 - lovely bourgogne and straight village (in a filtered koolaid sort of way), but then problems up the ladder.
I've not looked at my 08 notes from barrel (they are across the room, and there is not way I am getting up now), but I don't recall thinking it was a particularly cru-weighted vintage. So probably an early in-bottle thing going on.
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Problems up the ladder? Interested in knowing more.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by .sasha:
funny about lafarge '01 - lovely bourgogne and straight village (in a filtered koolaid sort of way), but then problems up the ladder.
I've not looked at my 08 notes from barrel (they are across the room, and there is not way I am getting up now), but I don't recall thinking it was a particularly cru-weighted vintage. So probably an early in-bottle thing going on.
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Problems up the ladder? Interested in knowing more.
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Opened a '01 Lafarge Caillerets recently that was off, seemingly hail affected (not sure it is was), oh boy...I'm starting to say this often...but it's such a small percentage of the wines I drink...and herbal beyond belief. Lee Short had the wine, he can comment further...I think he agreed.

Love the '93s I've had. I can only hope the 08s turn out like the 93s I've had.

-mark
 
originally posted by .sasha:
Vendanges Selectionnees seems really affected.
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That's interesting. I understood that this was not from a particular vineyard but rather a cuvee whose source varied from year to year in an effort to make something more substantial that the straight Volnay? Was I mistaken? If this is indeed how the VS is made, it seems curious that they would choose more damaged grapes for it than for the straight Volnay?
 
I had a superb vendanges selectionnees a few weeks ago, a heavenly aroma and an utterly engaging palate which however was by no means unchallenging.
Fatboy has 93 exactly right in my experience.
 
Very nice wine. No issues at all. Delicious and classy, complete now but this has the balance to age quite a while. Classic stuff, a slightly gruff Chassagne rouge-ish edge. Going back for a half case.

I wonder if this just took a bit of time to settle out?
 
Thanks for the follow-up. We opened an 02 recently and, fb's comments upthread notwithstanding, I'm ready to sign up for an annual subscription. Sounds like 08 is as good a place to start as any.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:

That's interesting. I understood that this was not from a particular vineyard but rather a cuvee whose source varied from year to year in an effort to make something more substantial that the straight Volnay? Was I mistaken?
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You were indeed mistaken; it comes from a particular parcel. Ditto for the Meursault VS.

I haven't had any Lafarge 2001s in quite a while, but the guys over on the UK board have been impressed for the whole lineup.
 
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
originally posted by Rahsaan:

That's interesting. I understood that this was not from a particular vineyard but rather a cuvee whose source varied from year to year in an effort to make something more substantial that the straight Volnay? Was I mistaken?
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You were indeed mistaken; it comes from a particular parcel. Ditto for the Meursault VS.
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Thanks for the info! Better late than never.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
UK Board?
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UK Board
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Rahsaan:

Getting back to the original question. Have you had the 2008 Lafarge Bourgogne Rouge?

I tasted the wine briefly and without giving it much thought. I also tasted the wine while under the influence of 37 medications.

So my judgement doesn't matter much.

And yours?

Rahsaan?
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
UK Board?
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UK Board
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from the uk board:

Manzanilla En Rama "I Think", Equipo Navazos (15%). This is an attempt to bring a "real" Manzanilla to a slightly wider audience than the tiny production Bota wines. Hardly filtered, from a saca of Oct 2010 after 4.5 years under flor, this has a darker hue than many Manzanilla drinkers might expect, quite golden. The nose is striking, it has good body, again more full than one might expect, and the acidity is balanced and not over-assertive. The finish, after a savoury mid-palate is very long and chalky with what I take to be the flor flavours lingering on the tongue.. It also finishes with a refreshing palate cleansing rush. It seems to me as if it will indeed be capable of ageing into something more complex but I found it a youthful but not at all simple, perfect refreshing food accompaniment. It has a touch of wildness to it too, no doubt from the lack of filtration, which I found added a good bit of excitement for my £11 (375ml).

anyone know if this is in the us?
 
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