Oak issue with '07 Chidaine- Les Tuffeaux

[Brad Kane]

Recently had the '07 Chidaine- Montlouis "Les Tuffeaux" and, much to my chagrin, found it unpleasantly oaky. I really haven't experienced this before in a Chidaine wine, so I'm wondering if barrels were swapped out that year, or was the oaking deliberate?

 

[Filippo Mattia Ginanni]

... oak murder or 2nd ? What say you ?

 

[Brad Kane]

It's certainly nowhere near the most egregious use of oak I've ever encountered in a white wine, but I really dislike oak in my whites and it was enough that I didn't want to finish the glass.

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

after seeing your post, i opted to open one of these tonight while riding out the latest nor'easter. i have drank a few of these over the last year or so and liked them enough to buy a half case. so, i thought maybe i was missing something.....

a buddy who has visited and sold chidaine wines confirms that all his wines see neutral oak.

the bottle i am drinking right now is not showing any obvious oak to my taste. it is really quite delicious. any oak has integrated with the fruit. it is classic mountlouis chenin to me. soft, with some flinty fruit in the mouth, a little oil, some white flowers on the nose. pretty sure this is considered sec trendre.

my experience obviously different than yours. a bad bottle perhaps?

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Brad Kane:
Oak issue with '07 Chidaine- Les TuffeauxRecently had the '07 Chidaine- Montlouis "Les Tuffeaux" and, much to my chagrin, found it unpleasantly oaky. I really haven't experienced this before in a Chidaine wine, so I'm wondering if barrels were swapped out that year, or was the oaking deliberate?

corked

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Brad Kane:
Oak issue with '07 Chidaine- Les TuffeauxRecently had the '07 Chidaine- Montlouis "Les Tuffeaux" and, much to my chagrin, found it unpleasantly oaky. I really haven't experienced this before in a Chidaine wine, so I'm wondering if barrels were swapped out that year, or was the oaking deliberate?

corked

This from a guy who wouldn't be able to tell corkiness in a tca factory...

The wine absolutely was not corked. Oak is oak. Tca is tca. We all found the wine to be showing oak.

 

[Florida Jim]

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Brad Kane:
Oak issue with '07 Chidaine- Les TuffeauxRecently had the '07 Chidaine- Montlouis "Les Tuffeaux" and, much to my chagrin, found it unpleasantly oaky. I really haven't experienced this before in a Chidaine wine, so I'm wondering if barrels were swapped out that year, or was the oaking deliberate?

corked

Are you joshin' or serious?
I have often wondered if a slightly corked wine would show more of its wood then would the same bottle in good shape.
Best, Jim

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

still drinking the same bottle i opened earlier. no oak. none. my 7th or 8th bottle of this wine. no oak.

 

[Unknown]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by .sasha:

originally posted by Brad Kane:
Oak issue with '07 Chidaine- Les TuffeauxRecently had the '07 Chidaine- Montlouis "Les Tuffeaux" and, much to my chagrin, found it unpleasantly oaky. I really haven't experienced this before in a Chidaine wine, so I'm wondering if barrels were swapped out that year, or was the oaking deliberate?

corked

This from a guy who wouldn't be able to tell corkiness in a tca factory...

The wine absolutely was not corked. Oak is oak. Tca is tca. We all found the wine to be showing oak.

Did I say anything about TCA ?

 

[Joe Dressner]

There is no new oak on Tuffeaux.

I used to import Chidaine's wines and would taste them in barrel and bottle.

If you want, send them an e-mail and ask. They are at the Loire Valley shows this weekend but will respond in a few days.

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www.francois-chidaine.com

 

[MLipton]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

my experience obviously different than yours. a bad bottle perhaps?

Ummm... What part of Kane is wrong do you fail to apprehend?

Just askin'
Mark Lipton

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
There is no new oak on Tuffeaux.

Perhaps the barrels were switched out and they were newer? Also, I note this line from Chris Kissack's Chidaine producer profile on his informative site, thewinedoctor.com, "In the cellars, the Chidaine fruit is first pressed using pneumatic equipment, before transfer to 620-litre demi-muids (occasionally smaller barrels may be used)..."

All I'm saying is the bottle I tried had a distinct vanilla note to it. I've never gotten it in any of his wines before, which is why I'm wondering if something was different in '07.

 

[Bill Lundstrom]

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
There is no new oak on Tuffeaux.

Perhaps the barrels were switched out and they were newer? Also, I note this line from Chris Kissack's Chidaine producer profile on his informative site, thewinedoctor.com, "In the cellars, the Chidaine fruit is first pressed using pneumatic equipment, before transfer to 620-litre demi-muids (occasionally smaller barrels may be used)..."

All I'm saying is the bottle I tried had a distinct vanilla note to it. I've never gotten it in any of his wines before, which is why I'm wondering if something was different in '07.

i have to ask...you saw the bottle this was poured out of? just wondering if it was a glass order at a bar or something and maybe the server grabbed the wrong bottle.

 

[Brad Kane]

originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:

originally posted by Brad Kane:

originally posted by Joe Dressner:
There is no new oak on Tuffeaux.

Perhaps the barrels were switched out and they were newer? Also, I note this line from Chris Kissack's Chidaine producer profile on his informative site, thewinedoctor.com, "In the cellars, the Chidaine fruit is first pressed using pneumatic equipment, before transfer to 620-litre demi-muids (occasionally smaller barrels may be used)..."

All I'm saying is the bottle I tried had a distinct vanilla note to it. I've never gotten it in any of his wines before, which is why I'm wondering if something was different in '07.

i have to ask...you saw the bottle this was poured out of? just wondering if it was a glass order at a bar or something and maybe the server grabbed the wrong bottle.

It was at a friend's house for dinner.