Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
The 2012 is pretty tannic and unfriendly compared to the last several vintages. Manu Houillon says it is one for the cellar.
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1993 Pierre Overnoy Arbois Pupillin 12.5%
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Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Found the 2011 rather disappointing a few months ago. While everyone around me was swooning at the honor of partaking, I just found it sort of one-dimensionally tart and surly. Not closed or anything like that, just loutish.
kirk wallace
kirk wallace
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
The 2012 is pretty tannic and unfriendly compared to the last several vintages. Manu Houillon says it is one for the cellar.
well, my bottle was the last one in the Matbaren cellar and it was fine; tannic but not unfriendly; slightly reduced at first, but quite nice after 20 minutes or so. have had a bottle or two in NYC in the early spring that drank about the same.
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
I am thrilled you had the chance to try a good bottle. The one time I received the opportunity to try the 1993, the infamous note was eerily spot on and I was unable to taste more than two sips of the wine.
Obviously, I've had both kinds of bottles over the years (I brought the infamous Yaniger bottle to said jeebus), but even the good bottles were reductive, they were just able to shake it off.
Dressner forbade me from ever buying any more '93. I even tried to get the local distributor to try to order a case that kept on showing up in the LDM FOB catalog, but to no avail.
The good old days really were as good as they seemed.
Funny, Dressner sold me a whole case of the '93 at fire-sale prices, off the record. Something like $4.50 a bottle. I still have two or three. It's cloudy and flecked with floaty things, the color of iced tea. "Variable" doesn't begin to describe the bottle variation. I read, recognized and laughed at Stuart's note, but there were also many earthy, leathery, lovely bottles that only had gentle suggestions of funkiness.
My recollection is we had a lovely bottle at La Rochetta shortly after Yaniger first posted his note, which helped to fuel the Left Coast-Right Coast war. Didn't you post on that?
Jayson Cohen
Jayson Cohen
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
I am thrilled you had the chance to try a good bottle. The one time I received the opportunity to try the 1993, the infamous note was eerily spot on and I was unable to taste more than two sips of the wine.
Obviously, I've had both kinds of bottles over the years (I brought the infamous Yaniger bottle to said jeebus), but even the good bottles were reductive, they were just able to shake it off.
Dressner forbade me from ever buying any more '93. I even tried to get the local distributor to try to order a case that kept on showing up in the LDM FOB catalog, but to no avail.
The good old days really were as good as they seemed.
Funny, Dressner sold me a whole case of the '93 at fire-sale prices, off the record. Something like $4.50 a bottle. I still have two or three. It's cloudy and flecked with floaty things, the color of iced tea. "Variable" doesn't begin to describe the bottle variation. I read, recognized and laughed at Stuart's note, but there were also many earthy, leathery, lovely bottles that only had gentle suggestions of funkiness.
My recollection is we had a lovely bottle at La Rochetta shortly after Yaniger first posted his note, which helped to fuel the Left Coast-Right Coast war. Didn't you post on that?
Or maybe Minetta.
Kay Bixler
Kay Bixler
Pretty sure it was Minetta. Dressner brought the '93 red, '98 white and '90 Vin Jaune, which was a new one for a lot of us. He adored that Vin Jaune. The table was split over the wines. The red languished and was sold off for like $60 a case or something. Hard to imagine considering the estate's current status.
Michael Lewis
Michael Lewis
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
The 2012 is pretty tannic and unfriendly compared to the last several vintages. Manu Houillon says it is one for the cellar.
well, my bottle was the last one in the Matbaren cellar and it was fine; tannic but not unfriendly; slightly reduced at first, but quite nice after 20 minutes or so. have had a bottle or two in NYC in the early spring that drank about the same.
Well yeah. It's only for the cellar if it is your cellar. The bottles won't survive long enough on a restaurant list to reach maturity, so you might as well go ahead and order one. Glad to hear it was pretty good, the tannins notwithstanding. It has been over a year since I had the chance to taste it, so I do not have any current experience.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Jayson Cohen:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Michael Lewis:
I am thrilled you had the chance to try a good bottle. The one time I received the opportunity to try the 1993, the infamous note was eerily spot on and I was unable to taste more than two sips of the wine.
Obviously, I've had both kinds of bottles over the years (I brought the infamous Yaniger bottle to said jeebus), but even the good bottles were reductive, they were just able to shake it off.
Dressner forbade me from ever buying any more '93. I even tried to get the local distributor to try to order a case that kept on showing up in the LDM FOB catalog, but to no avail.
The good old days really were as good as they seemed.
Funny, Dressner sold me a whole case of the '93 at fire-sale prices, off the record. Something like $4.50 a bottle. I still have two or three. It's cloudy and flecked with floaty things, the color of iced tea. "Variable" doesn't begin to describe the bottle variation. I read, recognized and laughed at Stuart's note, but there were also many earthy, leathery, lovely bottles that only had gentle suggestions of funkiness.
My recollection is we had a lovely bottle at La Rochetta shortly after Yaniger first posted his note, which helped to fuel the Left Coast-Right Coast war. Didn't you post on that?
I did. Good times, good times.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Kay Bixler:
Pretty sure it was Minetta. Dressner brought the '93 red, '98 white and '90 Vin Jaune, which was a new one for a lot of us. He adored that Vin Jaune. The table was split over the wines. The red languished and was sold off for like $60 a case or something. Hard to imagine considering the estate's current status.
That was the sale I got in on. :)