The Mark of Zero

originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by SFJoe:


2010s from Bossard, OTOH, are brilliant out of the gate.
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i am super excited with just about every '10 loire that i tried in the last 2 weeks. the vintage takes the best aspects from '08 (acid) and '09 (fruit) and adds some balance to create some compelling wines.
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How about underripe '08 tannins?!

(not that I really disagree about the wines I tried, but you stayed longer and got to try more)
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i agree that many '08s suffered from underripe tannins, but i didn't see that in any (as far as i can remember) '10s. in the '10s i got lots of sweet/ripe tannins, good acids, nice fruit. it was the acid/fruit balance almost across the board that really got me.

as the perfect example, remember the components of the basic pepiere...?
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
Gneiss runs a bit softer and fruitier than granite, though Bossard's 2010 gneiss has a lot of grip. L d'Or has granite bedrock, but schist and clay (IIRC) on top, so it is a bit of a hybrid.
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Thank you for the information. I appreciate it (especially the info on L d'Or...I didn't know that there was schist and clay.)
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
Tasted the two 09 Bossards side by side and much preferred the 09 Granite. Deep, minerally and clean. Don't have notes, but remember finding the 09 Orthogneiss a bit bland. Probably because Joel wasn't around to liven things up.
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Some day, Oswaldo...

Wish I had both to compare side by side, as I get the sense that they would make great education for terroir differences. But since I only had the Orthogneiss, I was able to find it's pleasures without the added exercise of comparison. I can see perhaps what you mean though...as I wouldn't call the '09 super racy, and perhaps a bit soft right out of the gates, but the breadth and depth which bloomed over the evening was such that I was very happy to be in the company of red wine drinkers.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I think that to drink Guy Bossard Gneiss or Granit young only calls to mind the potential latent there. Most of the respect I might give the wine would be as a result of what I think it will become. I am hazarding a guess. They are such very serious and stern wines when young....

I remember how I was sitting, where exactly and percisely I was, what the night was like outside. I remember everything about that moment. Because that was a keeper. That was a forever kind of wine.
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It's funny, but I have an absolute recollection of the first time I had Bossard's 3 cuvees. It was at the Dive in 2003, and the 2002's were on the table.

Later, they were selling oysters in the concession, and Bossard had gone home leaving his open samples on the table, and Mark and I got plates of oysters and went over and served ourselves large glasses of the undefended Granit. That was some pretty spectacular wine and food to have together.

SFJoe, who has shared with me several amazing muscadets with vintages beginning 199...
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And even one at least with 198..., but you were quite busy being the hospitality guy at the time.

ETA: As was right and correct, and fine hospitality it was.
 
while 96 briords may be a better wine, if someone placed a oyster in front of me, I may go for that 91 Pepiere instead. If one happens to be around, that is.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
'91 is a decoy, you know. Big frost year, so the Briords is in the regular.
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Had no idea. I was going to say that someone opened up a '91 Pepiere a year or so ago and it blew me away. I had never had a muscadet that old before. I guess it shouldn't surprise me that there was some Briords in there. Thing was damn structured. Whenever I think about the 'muscadet ain't for aging' argument, that's what I think about. Well, that and the mag of '96 Louvetrie (Landron) Fief du Briel. Whew. When that baby opened up... It was damn good.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
'91 is a decoy, you know. Big frost year, so the Briords is in the regular.
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wait, don't tell me, it's got some granite de clisson in there as well
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by SFJoe:
'91 is a decoy, you know. Big frost year, so the Briords is in the regular.
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wait, don't tell me, it's got some granite de clisson in there as well
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The gdc vines are in the estate vineyard above the village, here.

Until 2005 they were all in the regular Pepiere, and still are in vintages where he doesn't bottle a gdc. btw, gdc is now just "Clisson," for obscure reasons having to do with not being explicit about terroir on labels. Schistes de Goulaine, all the others are going the same way.

And yes, the exception to the above is the 1997 Buster, which showcased lightly botrytized old-vines grapes from what became the gdc vyd.
 
Those vines should now be in the 80+ yr range or so, I believe.
 
SFJoe - I thought Bregeon's 2009 in tank was brilliant and vocal. Just astounding wine, to be savoured first in silence, and then with low purrs of pleasure, and finally with manic hand gestures filling in the Franglais blanks. 1998 - stunning. 2002 - stupendous. 2005 - just waking up. Etc etc.

'95 Clos des Briords from MarcO no slouch either, nor a crazy '91 Bruno Cormerais (which I liked better than the magnificent 1989). And that's even before we get to Guy Bossard.

Imminent retirements for some of the aforementioned, so grab 'em while you can. I know I will.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
SFJoe - I thought Bregeon's 2009 in tank was brilliant and vocal. Just astounding wine, to be savoured first in silence, and then with low purrs of pleasure, and finally with manic hand gestures filling in the Franglais blanks. 1998 - stunning. 2002 - stupendous. 2005 - just waking up. Etc etc.

'95 Clos des Briords from MarcO no slouch either, nor a crazy '91 Bruno Cormerais (which I liked better than the magnificent 1989). And that's even before we get to Guy Bossard.

Imminent retirements for some of the aforementioned, so grab 'em while you can. I know I will.
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Yixin,
Are you channeling fatboy or sumfin?

Mark Lipton
 
No, just a public service announcement. And as indebted as I am (as we all are) to David Lillie's excellent work, proof of which is in the AoE, I think Auberge du Vignoble in Le Landreau comes a distant second to Le Fiacre in St-Fiacre. Eat there instead.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Does this Bregeon guy do just the one bottling?
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Now, yes.

He used to separate his most interesting wines from gabbro and give them quite extended lees aging, but he wants to retire and doesn't want to wait so it's all one cuvee now.
 
I remember hearing Bossard was thinking of retiring soon and now I just learned about Bregeon (so I guess there will be no more Gorges). Is Ollivier nearing retirement as well? How about Landron and Luneau-Papin?
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:
RetirementsI remember hearing Bossard was thinking of retiring soon and now I just learned about Bregeon (so I guess there will be no more Gorges). Is Ollivier nearing retirement as well? How about Landron and Luneau-Papin?
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Ollivier is a young and vigorous fellow no older than I am.

Luneau has a son who is very active in the biz. Landron's moustache might seem a great burden, but he seems to bear it with great energy.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Yule Kim:
RetirementsI remember hearing Bossard was thinking of retiring soon and now I just learned about Bregeon (so I guess there will be no more Gorges). Is Ollivier nearing retirement as well? How about Landron and Luneau-Papin?
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Ollivier is a young and vigorous fellow no older than I am.

Luneau has a son who is very active in the biz. Landron's moustache might seem a great burden, but he seems to bear it with great energy.
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Glad to hear it! Nice to know I can look forward to many more vintages of these producers' wines.
 
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