TN: Lipton visit to NYC (Feb 27, 2011)

Jeff Grossman

Jeff Grossman
2/27/11 Mark Lipton, Alex + Hilary, Dale + Betsy, Jeff

Mark is in town for a deposition. For his one evening in NYC Dale & Betsy (and Lucy, the basset hound) throw a small dinner party.

Mark and I meet Alex and Hilary in mid-town -- they've just seen a show at City Center -- and they drive us up to Dobbs Ferry. Fortunately for all concerned, conversation is lively and covers more topics than just wine: old houses, maternal instinct, cooking, the impetus for the deposition, and much more.

Dale made the starter courses while Betsy worked her considerable kitchen magicks on a red-wine-friendly menu:

Starters: Gabrielle Hamilton's pickled shrimp, and apple/smoked trout/horseradish bites

The shrimp were particularly delightful. It is similar to a ceviche with rings of red onion, black peppercorns, and whole coriander seed steeped in citrus.

Chidaine 1996 Montlouis Brut "Almendra" - gorgeous: almonds, apple, bread, a bit of wool; maybe it doesn't scream chenin but I could drink this all night

First Course: white bean puree with smoked oysters, oil-cured olives, radishes, croutons

Courier 2006 Sauvignon Blanc "Ryan's Vineyard - there was some extended skin contact in the making of the wine but it doesn't show particularly 'orange'; it's dense and clean enough but does not show typique at all: not aromatic, not grassy or gripping

F. Cotat 2004 Chavignol "Les Culs de Beaujeu" - pretty wine, maybe as ripe as apricots but rather more like fruit salad, it has the essential streak of chalk in it and under it

Trimbach 1989 Riesling "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Vendange Tardive - geez, so intense, so full, so long; Dale's WOTN and I might agree

Main course: bouef en croute, vegetable tian a la Alain Ducasse, green beans w/fromage blanc

The beef was beautifully, perfectly rare. Heavenly. Betsy later said she forgot to toss the toasted hazelnuts on the green beans. Whoops!

Montevertine 1988 IGT Riserva - red-fruited with very fine tannins, showing really well

Dom. De Chevalier 1979 Graves - mild tobacco, tarragon, smooth as velvet, I think it's the winner among the reds

Clape 1999 Cornas - stern, clenched tight, there's beautiful wine here but it's highly annoyed to have been woken up; I won't touch the rest of this for several more years

Joseph Swan 2002 Syrah "Trenton Estate" - compared to the Clape this shows its origin in a sunny place: warm, ripe, fruity; also very pretty

Fourrier 1995 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Clos St. Jacques" - Dale said it best, "When opened this seemed cranky, mid-bodied, dominated by unripe tannins. Mark thought it got better, and indeed it improved, but never seemed that giving to me."

Jadot 1988 Nuits-St-Georges 1er "Clos des Corvees" - elegant but watery, not sure that I would have picked it out as NSG (is this from the north or the south of the district?)

Morot 1983 Beaune 1er "Teurons" - ethereal, light, bright red cherry fruit, no sign of rot, what a pleasure

After: selection of cheeses (Ossau Iraty, Stilton, Camembert, Muenster), and Betsy's Meyer lemon tart

The cheeses were all quite good except for the ailing Muenster. The lemon tart was delightful due to the not-so-tart-as-all-that Meyer lemons.

Trimbach 1997 Gewurztraminer Vendanges Tardives - seems a bit faint and I later figure out why: when I got it home it was clearly corked

Pfeffingen 2004 Riesling Beerenauslese Ungesteiner Herrenberg - 5 141 045 19 05, this was a great wine to end the evening: shapely acids, plenty botrytis, stands firm with the lemon tart

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Many, many thanks to our fellow guests and our hosts.
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Jadot 1988 Nuits-St-Georges 1er "Clos des Corvees" - elegant but watery, not sure that I would have picked it out as NSG (is this from the north or the south of the district?)

I believe it's south, towards Prémeaux.

Funnily enough, I opened a 1988 Chauvenet Vaucrains to mark my inability to attend this dinner. As mentioned elsewhere, it was not as vibrant, rich, or NSG as a previous bottle, and I eventually opened something else as well.
 
Thanks for the report, wish I could have been there. I've never sustained a sustained conversation with Lucy, but Dale and Betsy are A+, 100 pt people, with no mid-palate dip.
 
would you guys stop drinking 79 ddc without me already?! it's my favourite wine!
 
Thanks for the notes, in particular the warning on the Clape -- I keep wondering if they've come around. So sorry to miss the gathering. It sounds like a wonderful time, and some great food and wine.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
would you guys stop drinking 79 ddc without me already?! it's my favourite wine!

I read the presence of that wine as an indicator that you were present as well.
 
I am so sympathetic to Betsy about the hazelnuts. I never seem to cook a dinner without forgetting one ingredient. Sometimes it's one course.

How silly of me to have been drinking Chateauneuf in Indianapolis that night.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by .sasha:
would you guys stop drinking 79 ddc without me already?! it's my favourite wine!

I read the presence of that wine as an indicator that you were present as well.

My detector only has 100mi range, and I am in Boston.
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
Funnily enough, I opened a 1988 Chauvenet Vaucrains to mark my inability to attend this dinner.
That's Mark's year is it? Good year. (You know, the average years often turn out best.)
 
Many thanks to Jeff for trekking out to Manhattan (and thence to Utmost Westchester) with me for this wine-sodden event. As he said, the food was tremendous -- even the stuff that Dale made! -- and the company outstanding. As always, it was fascinating to meet someone in person (Jeff) who I'd been interacting with online for years. No surprises: Jeff is just as nice in person as he is online.

originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Chidaine 1996 Montlouis Brut "Almendra" - gorgeous: almonds, apple, bread, a bit of wool; maybe it doesn't scream chenin but I could drink this all night

Indeed, it would not have been evident to me that I was drinking sparkling Chenin had I not seen the label. It was, nonetheless, a delicious aperitif and foil to the shrimp and I confess to refilling my glass several times.

Courier 2006 Sauvignon Blanc "Ryan's Vineyard - there was some extended skin contact in the making of the wine but it doesn't show particularly 'orange'; it's dense and clean enough but does not show typique at all: not aromatic, not grassy or gripping

Dale opened this wine because it was made by a man known to us both who works by day as the chef at RN74 in SF. It showed some tannins from the skin contact, but wasn't overtly orange (as Jeff said) and certainly didn't show much if any varietal character. Dense and acidic but not aromatic (gee, Jeff said that, too) it was acceptable but not tremendously appealing.

F. Cotat 2004 Chavignol "Les Culs de Beaujeu" - pretty wine, maybe as ripe as apricots but rather more like fruit salad, it has the essential streak of chalk in it and under it

I wasn't as taken with this as Jeff, I think. To me, it was lacking a bit of the minerality and verve that I look for from this producer. Not a bad wine, but not terribly interesting.

Trimbach 1989 Riesling "Cuvee Frederic Emile" Vendange Tardive - geez, so intense, so full, so long; Dale's WOTN and I might agree

YOWZA!! A blast of intense Riesling fruit that went so well with the white bean purée (which was why Dale served it at this point). Long, graceful, flavorful and just a pleasure to drink. I too won't quibble with the WOTN designation.

Montevertine 1988 IGT Riserva - red-fruited with very fine tannins, showing really well

Not the most expressive Montevertine I've had, but a real pleasure to drink and outstanding with the beef.

Dom. De Chevalier 1979 Graves - mild tobacco, tarragon, smooth as velvet, I think it's the winner among the reds

Hard to argue with that. It's just a great example of its type and certainly ready to drink right now.

Clape 1999 Cornas - stern, clenched tight, there's beautiful wine here but it's highly annoyed to have been woken up; I won't touch the rest of this for several more years

I opined to Jeff that 5-10 more years are indicated (as a guess) but there is a lot of potential here. Still very tight, it's got not only the expected fruit but also great structure. I don't see this wine going anywhere but better places and it should be alive and kicking for many years to come. Thanks, Jeff!

Joseph Swan 2002 Syrah "Trenton Estate" - compared to the Clape this shows its origin in a sunny place: warm, ripe, fruity; also very pretty

My contribution to the event (beats that Biale Zin I opened for you, huh, Rahsaan?). In yet another example of why you never believe anything you read on Cellartracker unless it's written by 14Frimaire, Salil or Slaton, I brought this wine in part because of several reports on CT of how ready it was. Yeah, right. Tight as a nun's... er... you know. I took the half-full bottle back with me back to the hotel at Dale's insistence. By the next morning, it actually smelled like Syrah, albeit one from a climate warmer than the N. Rhone.

Fourrier 1995 Gevrey-Chambertin 1er "Clos St. Jacques" - Dale said it best, "When opened this seemed cranky, mid-bodied, dominated by unripe tannins. Mark thought it got better, and indeed it improved, but never seemed that giving to me.

This is certainly the oldest Fourrier I've tasted and it was pretty well shut down at first opening. As I was the slowest eater and drinker at the table (well, Betsy was drinking even less than I) I still had my original pour of this 40 minutes later. By then, it had opened up a bit and showed some very pretty fruit. Still not a terribly giving wine, though.

Jadot 1988 Nuits-St-Georges 1er "Clos des Corvees" - elegant but watery, not sure that I would have picked it out as NSG (is this from the north or the south of the district?)

I honestly have no memory of this wine (did I pour myself any? who knows?) so I'll just shut up now.

Morot 1983 Beaune 1er "Teurons" - ethereal, light, bright red cherry fruit, no sign of rot, what a pleasure

Dale had made all the requisite disclaimers as he proffered this wine (among others) in his cellar, but as he predicted it showed no signs of rot and was quite lovely, if a bit on the simple side. Certainly not closed in, though, which was a nice change from the previous few wines.

The cheeses were all quite good except for the ailing Muenster. The lemon tart was delightful due to the not-so-tart-as-all-that Meyer lemons.

I might have been the only person at the table who enjoyed the Muenster. Ailing? Non! overripe? Mais oui! Though I'm no dessert fancier, the Meyer lemon tart was delicious.

Trimbach 1997 Gewurztraminer Vendanges Tardives - seems a bit faint and I later figure out why: when I got it home it was clearly corked

Yes, it was surprisingly mute at dinner. Fruit scalping seems a plausible explanation.

Pfeffingen 2004 Riesling Beerenauslese Ungesteiner Herrenberg - 5 141 045 19 05, this was a great wine to end the evening: shapely acids, plenty botrytis, stands firm with the lemon tart

Though I recently proclaimed how difficult I find it to enjoy botrytised wines, this was a lovely accompaniment to dessert. Had I not had the CFE VT earlier in the evening, this might have been my favorite white wine of the night.

Many thanks to Dale and Betsy for hosting us all and plying us with so much good food and wine. Many thanks also to Jeff for taking time out his Sunday to make this happen (and for writing up the event and saving me the effort of cobbling together my memories).

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton: Joseph Swan 2002 Syrah "Trenton Estate"
My contribution to the event (beats that Biale Zin I opened for you, huh, Rahsaan?).

Yes.

I always wanted to drink more Joseph Swan wines (or even visit the winery but he kept odd opening hours that always conflicted with my trips) when I lived in CA. Alas time was short and there usually were many other wines on the agenda. But sounds delicious.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
In New York, in midtown, and no hello. That smarts. Maybe I deserve it.

Levi,
If Alto had been open on Sunday, it was my intent to stop in to say hi. Monday was a no-go as I was booked from the morning until I caught my cab to LGA. 'Twas a shame, too, as I was just two blocks from your place. Next time, though...

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
In New York, in midtown, and no hello. That smarts. Maybe I deserve it.

Levi,
If Alto had been open on Sunday, it was my intent to stop in to say hi. Monday was a no-go as I was booked from the morning until I caught my cab to LGA. 'Twas a shame, too, as I was just two blocks from your place. Next time, though...

Mark Lipton

Well it sounds like you had a nice trip, so that's good.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
In New York, in midtown, and no hello. That smarts. Maybe I deserve it.

Levi,
If Alto had been open on Sunday, it was my intent to stop in to say hi. Monday was a no-go as I was booked from the morning until I caught my cab to LGA. 'Twas a shame, too, as I was just two blocks from your place. Next time, though...

Mark Lipton

Well it sounds like you had a nice trip, so that's good.

Yeah. Next time, though, I'm going to militate for a Friday visit so that I have Sat. to pal around in NYC. The best laid plans, though...

Mark Lipton
 
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