Oliver McCrum
Oliver McCrum
Perfect analogy, from my one tasting.
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Breton, Cuvaison, Dettori
- Thread starter Mike Klein
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Perfect analogy, from my one tasting.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
Uh, the analogy sort of excludes the fact that the white is consistently pretty delicious.
John Roberts
John Roberts
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Uh, the analogy sort of excludes the fact that the white is consistently pretty delicious.
Fair enough. I'll pick one up.
Mark Anisman
Mark Anisman
@ CSW :
Dettori, A 2007 Romagnia Tenores Bianco
white | 69 in stock | $21.99
Dettori, A 2007 Romagnia Tenores Bianco
white | 69 in stock | $21.99
Oliver McCrum
Oliver McCrum
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Uh, the analogy sort of excludes the fact that the white is consistently pretty delicious.
Perhaps so, but not to my taste at Vinitaly last year. Making good white wine that way is harder than making good red wine.
A bottle of the 06 Tuderi tonight was definitely schizophrenic. While a potentially intriguing core can be discerned, it is marred by distractive and unpleasant elements intruding on the experience. One moment it's black cherries, plums, tar and earth, the next it's VA, alcohol, solvents and the thing seems to veer back and forth through a range personalities, at least half of them not at all appealing.
Thumbs down on this bottle, and also, the negatives are more acute than any Cornelissen I've had.
Thumbs down on this bottle, and also, the negatives are more acute than any Cornelissen I've had.
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
the thing seems to veer back and forth through a range personalities, at least half of them not at all appealing.
That sounds like some ex-girlfriends of mine. I could really lob a bombshell in here by asking if this would qualify as a "feminine" wine? [Damn, I really need those emoticons now!]
Mark Lipton
Just had this for lunch in Carpi (not Capri). It was fine - I would guess about 1.5g of VA, probably less, and some oxidation going on, but good balance and still quite fresh. Don't think the trans-Atlantic journey did the wine any favours based on the reports in this thread.
Also a 2007 F. Bellei Ancestrale Lambrusco - cloudy and everchanging as sin, just as delightful. Nothing like drinking expired yeast.
There's also a good Chinese hairdresser in Carpi if one should ever find themselves in the area.
Also a 2007 F. Bellei Ancestrale Lambrusco - cloudy and everchanging as sin, just as delightful. Nothing like drinking expired yeast.
There's also a good Chinese hairdresser in Carpi if one should ever find themselves in the area.
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
Bellei is a wonderful producer.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Sampled three Dettoris at Chambers tonight, after updating my will.
2007 Romagnia Tenores Bianco 15.5%
Vermentino. Fennel and white flowers. Unctuous, acid-deficient, but fruit is rich and gorgeous. Would not have noticed a mild oxidativeness if my neighbor hadn't commented on it; lawd, am I becoming an oxy moron? Most surprising, no sense of heat. Has personality, at least.
2006 Romagnia Tuderi Rosso 15.5%
Cannonau from 50Y vines. Cloudy. Some VA. Smells like epoxy resin and crushed violets. Tastes like epoxy resin and crushed violets. Huh? Since when does a wine taste the same as it smells? Decent acidity, but still not enough. But, again, surprisingly no sense of heat. Eccentric and interesting, but not particularly pleasurable.
2006 Romagnia Tenores Rosso 16.0%
Cannonau from 80Y vines. Cloudy. Smells and taste much like the preceding, but has more acidity, and is the only one of the three that seemed in balance. More than just interesting, but still doesn't tickle the pleasure bone.
So, surprised at the lack of heat, and acidity is an issue, though not as much as feared. Main gripe would be a surfeit of mental interest and a paucity of whatever the other thing is. But not to be discounted.
2007 Romagnia Tenores Bianco 15.5%
Vermentino. Fennel and white flowers. Unctuous, acid-deficient, but fruit is rich and gorgeous. Would not have noticed a mild oxidativeness if my neighbor hadn't commented on it; lawd, am I becoming an oxy moron? Most surprising, no sense of heat. Has personality, at least.
2006 Romagnia Tuderi Rosso 15.5%
Cannonau from 50Y vines. Cloudy. Some VA. Smells like epoxy resin and crushed violets. Tastes like epoxy resin and crushed violets. Huh? Since when does a wine taste the same as it smells? Decent acidity, but still not enough. But, again, surprisingly no sense of heat. Eccentric and interesting, but not particularly pleasurable.
2006 Romagnia Tenores Rosso 16.0%
Cannonau from 80Y vines. Cloudy. Smells and taste much like the preceding, but has more acidity, and is the only one of the three that seemed in balance. More than just interesting, but still doesn't tickle the pleasure bone.
So, surprised at the lack of heat, and acidity is an issue, though not as much as feared. Main gripe would be a surfeit of mental interest and a paucity of whatever the other thing is. But not to be discounted.
I quite liked this. Not for everyday. But for a chilly, nasty, rainy day, with a rustic stew, this hit the spot. I pulled the cork around 11am and decanted just before dinner at 7:30. Plenty of VA but no rocket fuel. Deep, red fruits, mulling spices, heat on the finish, to be sure. We'll see where it goes from here.
lars makie
lars makie
Remembering this thread, I got a kick out of seeing this in ye ol Twitter feed a few moments ago. From @Garagiste_Wine:originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
the thing seems to veer back and forth through a range personalities, at least half of them not at all appealing.
That sounds like some ex-girlfriends of mine. I could really lob a bombshell in here by asking if this would qualify as a "feminine" wine? [Damn, I really need those emoticons now!]
Mark Lipton
"A.Dettori's response to all your VA questions:“Volatile acidity in wine is the charm. A wine that is not volatile is like a woman w/out charm”"
Evidently, y'alls don't know charming from a bottle of nail polish laced jet fuel.
originally posted by lars makie:
Remembering this thread, I got a kick out of seeing this in ye ol Twitter feed a few moments ago. From @Garagiste_Wine:originally posted by MLipton:
originally posted by Ned Hoey:
the thing seems to veer back and forth through a range personalities, at least half of them not at all appealing.
That sounds like some ex-girlfriends of mine. I could really lob a bombshell in here by asking if this would qualify as a "feminine" wine? [Damn, I really need those emoticons now!]
Mark Lipton
"A.Dettori's response to all your VA questions:“Volatile acidity in wine is the charm. A wine that is not volatile is like a woman w/out charm”"
Evidently, y'alls don't know charming from a bottle of nail polish laced jet fuel.
Yeah, it's not a bug, it's a feature!
Oliver McCrum
Oliver McCrum
That woman's way too charming for my taste.
lars makie
lars makie
Order from Garagiste finally came in. Opened a bottle of the '06 Tuderi tonight. Poured out a glass. Took a sip. Waited an hour. Took another sip. Poured out the glass and the rest of the bottle. Gah. That's got to be the worst 'wine' I've had in a while. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any redeemable factor in this bottle. I didn't have any lovely aromas upon opening, no hidden core that could be seen in the way off distance. Just a fucked up bottle of VA-laced fruit cocktail-ness.
Win some. Lose some. One bottle down. Two to go.
Win some. Lose some. One bottle down. Two to go.
originally posted by lars makie:
UpdateOrder from Garagiste finally came in. Opened a bottle of the '06 Tuderi tonight. Poured out a glass. Took a sip. Waited an hour. Took another sip. Poured out the glass and the rest of the bottle. Gah. That's got to be the worst 'wine' I've had in a while. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any redeemable factor in this bottle. I didn't have any lovely aromas upon opening, no hidden core that could be seen in the way off distance. Just a fucked up bottle of VA-laced fruit cocktail-ness.
Win some. Lose some. One bottle down. Two to go.
I see more loss in your future.
The second bottle I tried was way better then the first.originally posted by lars makie:
UpdateOrder from Garagiste finally came in. Opened a bottle of the '06 Tuderi tonight. Poured out a glass. Took a sip. Waited an hour. Took another sip. Poured out the glass and the rest of the bottle. Gah. That's got to be the worst 'wine' I've had in a while. Unfortunately, I couldn't find any redeemable factor in this bottle. I didn't have any lovely aromas upon opening, no hidden core that could be seen in the way off distance. Just a fucked up bottle of VA-laced fruit cocktail-ness.
Win some. Lose some. One bottle down. Two to go.
Still lots of VA, but the first had a nasty industrial chemical smell too.
Very ripe, warm climate fruit though.
I liked the 07 Ottomarzo better then the Tuderi.
Oliver McCrum
Oliver McCrum
As I understand it, a lot of bottle variation is very likely in wines that aren't protected adequately by SO2. As an importer I've decided that my life is complicated enough; drinkers can roll the dice, I suppose.
Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross
Got my Garagiste bottles of the 2006 Dettori Renosu Romangia IGT today, and so I opened one - it's really nice! 14.5% if the X-Files label (I want to believe) can be trusted.
originally posted by Zachary Ross:
Got my Garagiste bottles of the 2006 Dettori Renosu Romangia IGT today, and so I opened one - it's really nice! 14.5% if the X-Files label (I want to believe) can be trusted.
Yeah, I thought so too. Less flawyness.