TN: JBL visit (March 6, 2011)

originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by Josh Beck:
F RinaldiThanks for the F Rinaldi note.

I haven't had the 06's since I tasted them from cask about 3 years ago. I am absolutely enamored with the wines here from 04 on, and have a lot of the 06's one their way soon.

Handily the best QPR I can think of in Piedmont these days, besting Produttori, Cavallotto Bricco Boschis (probably my second favorite in the hunt), Vietti Castiglione, Vajra, Cortese and all the other $50 and under bottlings I can think of.
Josh and Levi, how are the 05s at F Rinaldi?
The Cannubio, Brunate and regular Barolo are all still available locally.

I liked both, a lot. I am a fan of the 05 vintage in general - a touch fresher and more cut than 04/06. I don't dislike any of the three vintages but many people give 05 a clear 3rd place in the lineup and I don't think that's the case, or perhaps we won't be able to tell for a long while yet.

At F Rinaldi I like the Brunate a hair more than the Cannubi but I like both a lot. I have not had the regular Barolo in 05 or 06, and I don't pursue it. I haven't tasted it enough to give a good reason why, but the fact that the cru wines are ~$10 more makes me look past the regular I have to admit. If you can get the Brunate and Cannubi for ~$50 or less, I would recommend them. Certainly doesn't hurt to buy a bottle or two to find out for yourself.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
F Rinaldi does not best Scarzello Barolo normale for QPR. Compare 2005 to 2005 and see for yourself.

WS-Pro reveals two bottlings available, a 95 and an 00, both over $100. Can you point me at a source for the Scarzello?

There is one cheaper Barolo I want to try still that I have heard a lot of good about... Guido Porro.
 
originally posted by Josh Beck:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
F Rinaldi does not best Scarzello Barolo normale for QPR. Compare 2005 to 2005 and see for yourself.

WS-Pro reveals two bottlings available, a 95 and an 00, both over $100. Can you point me at a source for the Scarzello?

There is one cheaper Barolo I want to try still that I have heard a lot of good about... Guido Porro.

I used to know a restaurant in Manhattan that served the 2005 Scarzello Barolo by the glass, however it is now closed.

I would think that if you located bottles of F. Rinaldi 95 or 00, that they would be over $100 a bottle as well.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I used to know a restaurant in Manhattan that served the 2005 Scarzello Barolo by the glass, however it is now closed.

I would think that if you located bottles of F. Rinaldi 95 or 00, that they would be over $100 a bottle as well.

A closed restaurant in Manhattan gets me no closer to the goal! And I don't disagree on the cost of 95 or 00 F Rinaldi, but was hoping to assess your conjecture of 'best Barolo QPR' by putting together an under $50 lineup of stuff like Vietti Castiglione, Cavallotto Bricco Boschis, F Rinaldi Brunate, Cantina del Pino Ovello, Produttori Ovello or Asili, Vajra Albe, Brovia Barolo and hopefully the Scarzello and seeing what shakes out of the proverbial tree...
 
originally posted by .sasha:
OK, thanks guys. I definitely buy into the "too young" thing, I am just struggling with the whole smaragd GV concept here. Or is it the smaragd GV oxidative concept. Not sure. I used to struggle with FX Cuvee M a lot as well.

here, hear!

Smaragd (to me, with all disclaimers applying) seems sorta like trying to make a muscadet into a strong man.

At least the thought saves me money.

Joel (copying Eden, by adding a statement onto my signature.)
 
So, many thanks to Joe for hosting after attendance swelled beyond my ability to host. Great to see JBL in NY again after an eleven year absence and I was thrilled so many of the original wldgers were able to make it. A big thank you to Christine for making her killer Bo Ssam, kale salad (hers is my favorite salad at the moment) and not one, but two cakes! A thank you also to everyone else that helped out with the food and keeping the load light for the host.

It was a really fun time with some quite tasty wines. I didn't try a bunch of them, but here are a few impressions.

The '84 Ridge- Cab Jimsomare was my wine of the night. I purchased it some months ago from Dick Krueger, so I know it's been stored lovingly. Just gorgeous stuff. Great balance, wonderful black fruit that was complemented by tobacco, cedar, herb and earth flavors. Drinking beautifully now, but no hurry as there was still plenty of structure.

Loved the Foillard pi. Jeff called it well. Just very sexy and full of strawberries and raspberries. I wish the bottle never ran out.

I liked the '82 Marcarini more than Jeff, but not as much as Chris Kravitz, who thought it his wine of the night. Nicely mellowed, but still showing pretty cherry fruit. My only knock is that while it tasted good, I didn't find it to have much of a personality.

I was majorly bummed about the '78 Sunrise Winery- Cab being corked. I bought it a year ago based on a ten year old tasting note by none other than Jason himself, who apparently knew the owners, so i thought it would be a great and rare surprise, because the winery existed briefly and you just don't see or hear anything about it. Underneath that tca was beautiful fruit and big structure, so I'll be on the lookout for another bottle, though finding one is unlikely.

I'm kindah with Joe on the '01 Knoll with regard to botrytis. I got more of that and not really oxidative notes, which, as most folks here know, I really have an aversion to. I liked the wine a lot.

I know I had both Haags, but I didn't really know what they were and what order they were poured to me. All I know is I greatly enjoyed them both.

The '96 Allemand, while tasty and enjoyable, is probably my least favorite from '95-'06. I'm just not a huge fan of all the crunchiness found in '96 Northern Rhones. The acidity just isn't in balance, though I certainly realize that's at odds with all the blistering acid freaks here.

It was a treat to try that '96 Bongran again. I haven't tried it since I had it with Callahan back when we worked at Garnet and one was opened in back to see what all the fuss was since RP had just lavished with big points. It still has that great acidity, but it seems a bit sweeter than I remember. More Chardonnay should be made that way.

The Mt. Eden was way too oaky and I don't think there's any hope for it. The Contino was too oaky, but there's hope for it. I think the wine will eventually absorb it with time.

I was pleasantly surprised with the '67 Giscours. Certainly fading, but it still retained some fruit and things of interest and was pleasantly mellow. Always a treat to find a good tasting birth year wine.

I was happy with how the magnum of '05 Briords Muscadet showed. I just picked up a couple for $30 at auction. Who puts their mags of Muscadet up for auction?

The '78 Olga Raffault was lovely. Somewhat silky and still showing some black fruit, but plenty of herb/tobacco and rocks.

The '95 Edmunds St. John- Syrah Durell showed quite nicely. Softened, but still with some fortitude. Nice fruit and spice and I agree with Jeff, a nice pairing with the bo ssam.

I forget what '99 Nigl Riesling Joe opened at the end (might've been a Nikolaihof,) but it was nice, though maybe a little lean.

Some pics from the evening.

Honored guests, JBL & Lynn
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Chico!
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Look how nice Dougherty is when I don't use a flash.
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Now look at his message to me when I use the flash. Btw, l to r, Dougherty, Manuel, Josie & .sasha.
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Don & .sasha ham it up.
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I don't know what Jayson Cohen said, but it shocked the hell out of Greg.
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Jeff, Don & Jay having a swell time.
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A rare Coad picture! Lisa, JBL & Chris. He was actually taking notes, but left his notebook at Joe's and it wasn't a Hello Kitty notebook, so read into it what you will.
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Lynn & Christine.
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Christine's incredible bo ssam.
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Digging in!
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Chris Kravitz is ready to fight Greg over that pork candy.
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Manuel, Jay, Josie & Jayson.
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JBL tells Chris of his 52 years in the wine biz.
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originally posted by Joel Stewart:

Smaragd (to me, with all disclaimers applying) seems sorta like trying to make a muscadet into a strong man.
I'd have to disagree.

In the Wachau, it turns out that the Smaragds are the wines that age into something interesting. Aging Federspiel is in general a long shot. Not to defend every Smaragd or to damn every Federspiel, but in the list of things that might be worth aging there are many Smaragds and few Federspiels.

And I say that as a guy with 6 year old Muscadet in my glass as I type.
 
Brad,

The '99 Nigl was the Riesling Privat.

"Lean" would be an outlier reaction to the wine, I think.
 
Brad, nice pics!

The "Jason and Lynn" one did not show. Try posting it again without using an ampersand in the file name. (teh intertubez dislikes raw ampersands)
 
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Brad, nice pics!

The "Jason and Lynn" one did not show. Try posting it again without using an ampersand in the file name. (teh intertubez dislikes raw ampersands)

Thanks. I thought I had fixed all of them.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Joel Stewart:

Smaragd (to me, with all disclaimers applying) seems sorta like trying to make a muscadet into a strong man.
I'd have to disagree.

In the Wachau, it turns out that the Smaragds are the wines that age into something interesting. Aging Federspiel is in general a long shot. Not to defend every Smaragd or to damn every Federspiel, but in the list of things that might be worth aging there are many Smaragds and few Federspiels.

And I say that as a guy with 6 year old Muscadet in my glass as I type.

If you are saying that aged S's can compete with starving artist muscadets (ala L d'Or 2004) then I am all ears...if not in pocketbook. Please, Joe, teach me....I know you have treasures.

Joel (still copying Eden, but with less relevence).
 
originally posted by Joel Stewart:

If you are saying that aged S's can compete with starving artist muscadets
GV is one of the longer-lived whites out there. Rieslings can improve for 15 or 20 years, but veltliner can really go the distance. Not quite chenin, but with intact corks, wines from the '40s can be very good, and wines from the '60s and '70s can be brilliant. I have more stuff in the cellar from the '90s, and the good '89s, '90s, '92s, '94s are still improving.

The current vintages have very vigorous domestic demand and aren't cheap these days, and they certainly don't compete on price with Muscadet. But what does?
 
wow, I haven't seen Jayson and Manuel since our weekend together at MoCool - they look great! Is Manuel back in NY?

and if I come to NY will I get a dinner like thrown for me? especially christine's pork dish???? (although I am anxious to try the kitchen stylings of Mr. D).
 
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