john McCarthy
john McCarthy
Wine Traditions brings in Giraudon. Chambers Street carries some wines from Wine Traditions. I don't know if they carry that particular wine but I'm sure they can get it. Nickname. BTW their Aligote is also quite good.
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- Thread starter Ian Fitzsimmons
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Wine Traditions brings in Giraudon. Chambers Street carries some wines from Wine Traditions. I don't know if they carry that particular wine but I'm sure they can get it. Nickname. BTW their Aligote is also quite good.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
I just ran it and got lots of hits. Try "Parent Bourgogne".originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Jeff - I'm not finding Parents on Wine searcher; who carries them in the U.S.?
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Ian, here is a note on the 2001 Ladoix "Chaillot."
For Bourgognes, there are some nice ones. In reds: Barthod. Marchal's "Gravel" (I don't like the "Catherine"). Roblet-Monnot. Leroy ngoce. Montille. Geantet-Pansiot. Dugat-Py if you like stems. Dureuil-Janthial.
You'll see that I've had a lot - that's because a good Bourgogne from a $$$ producer is a good deal and can also slip in under the other half's radar ("Oh, it's just a Bourgogne. I'm sure Sharon didn't lay out xx euros for it").
For Bourgognes, there are some nice ones. In reds: Barthod. Marchal's "Gravel" (I don't like the "Catherine"). Roblet-Monnot. Leroy ngoce. Montille. Geantet-Pansiot. Dugat-Py if you like stems. Dureuil-Janthial.
You'll see that I've had a lot - that's because a good Bourgogne from a $$$ producer is a good deal and can also slip in under the other half's radar ("Oh, it's just a Bourgogne. I'm sure Sharon didn't lay out xx euros for it").
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
Sharon -- Where are you getting this? The INAO decree shows only red and ros for Passetoutgrains --originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Eden Mylunsch:
Passetoutgrains blanc? I always thought that passetougrains was only a red wine made from gamay and pinot noir. I suppose that Passetougrains blanc would be something like aligote and chardonnay (with maybe some mutant pinot blanc as well).
Precisely. Mix of chardonnay and aligot. Lafarge makes a great one, "L'Exception."
http://www.vins-bourgogne.fr/galler...49/aoc_bourgogne_passe-tout-grains_-_1998.pdf,
see also http://www.vins-bourgogne.fr/gallery_files/site/321/402/5417/5436.pdf.
It sounds to me as though your Bourgogne Passetoutgrains blanc is really Bourgogne Grand Ordinaire:
http://www.vins-bourgogne.fr/gallery_files/site/321/402/5417/5418.pdf.
Interesting if Lafarge has a BGO -- he's never shown it to me; I do see the Passetoutgrains l'Exception, as well as the regular Passetoutgrains and both Aligots (although in truth, very, very few producers will bother to show a BGO).
An area that I like to explore too.
Here are some I've enjoyed recently.
Billard Cuvee Milliane. The '04 was under $20 and drinking great right now.
Huber Verdereau. A little on the hard tannic side, but seemed very pure to me. The 05 Volnay Robardelles seemed a good value for around $30. The Bourgogne is pretty good too.
Several Auxey Duresses from Lafouge are at that price point, Chambers Street stocks them.
Jean Marc Millot Cote de Nuit Villages, imported by Scott Paul in Oregon. ~$28, Some older vine fruit in this one. I think it is still under $30.
Here are some I've enjoyed recently.
Billard Cuvee Milliane. The '04 was under $20 and drinking great right now.
Huber Verdereau. A little on the hard tannic side, but seemed very pure to me. The 05 Volnay Robardelles seemed a good value for around $30. The Bourgogne is pretty good too.
Several Auxey Duresses from Lafouge are at that price point, Chambers Street stocks them.
Jean Marc Millot Cote de Nuit Villages, imported by Scott Paul in Oregon. ~$28, Some older vine fruit in this one. I think it is still under $30.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Interesting if Lafarge has a BGO -- he's never shown it to me; I do see the Passetoutgrains l'Exception, as well as the regular Passetoutgrains and both Aligots (although in truth, very, very few producers will bother to show a BGO).
Claude, I have drunk the white Lafarge Passetoutgrains L'Exception in its 2004 and 2005 incarnations. The nice caviste of Caves du Panthon explained the first time, faced with my bewilderment at a white Passetoutgrains, that indeed it was chardonnay and aligot. No more precise information, regrettably!
Claude Kolm
Claude Kolm
I don't understand this as the INA0 decree does not permit it. I'll ask Michel and Frdric when I see them in a few weeks.originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
originally posted by Claude Kolm:
Interesting if Lafarge has a BGO -- he's never shown it to me; I do see the Passetoutgrains l'Exception, as well as the regular Passetoutgrains and both Aligots (although in truth, very, very few producers will bother to show a BGO).
Claude, I have drunk the white Lafarge Passetoutgrains L'Exception in its 2004 and 2005 incarnations. The nice caviste of Caves du Panthon explained the first time, faced with my bewilderment at a white Passetoutgrains, that indeed it was chardonnay and aligot. No more precise information, regrettably!
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Is it confusing to anyone else hereabouts that a wine is named both Grand and Ordinaire?
Enjoyed the 06 Huber Verdereau Pommard but it needs time to soften and priced a bit north of $30. The 06 Jean Marc Millot Vosne Romanee is worth the $48.originally posted by Marc D:
Good QuestionHuber Verdereau. A little on the hard tannic side, but seemed very pure to me. The 05 Volnay Robardelles seemed a good value for around $30. The Bourgogne is pretty good too....Jean Marc Millot Cote de Nuit Villages, imported by Scott Paul in Oregon. ~$28, Some older vine fruit in this one. I think it is still under $30.
RT
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Is it confusing to anyone else hereabouts that a wine is named both Grand and Ordinaire?
Nah, it just means that it's more ordinaire than your typical Bourgogne. Make sense now? [insert appropriate emoticon here]
Mark Lipton
(Just beware Bourgogne Trop Ordinaire, not least for its abbreviation)
(Just beware Bourgogne Trop Ordinaire, not least for its abbreviation)
A wine that takes care of business, every day.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Jeff - Got it, thanks; I was searching for the Meurgers before. I take it you endorse the producer's whole line.
Sharon, Eden, Jeff, Claude - je suis idiot [imagine shame emoticon here]. The Magnien I was thinking of was indeed the grand ordinaire, not a passetoutgrains. PC has the 05 and 06 for under $14, BTW (I have no affiliation). (Sharon, thanks for the note, too).
Marc - Good point about Lafouge, I posted a note on the 06 Chapelle recently, which I liked a great deal. Perhaps the Duresses is the way to go, though I would like to diversify. I can't wait to try one of the white wines.
Joe - no Giraudon at CSW now; I'll keep an eye out.
And again, thanks for the many generous replies. What a cuddly forum, as long as we steer clear of politics and diction.
Ian
Sharon, Eden, Jeff, Claude - je suis idiot [imagine shame emoticon here]. The Magnien I was thinking of was indeed the grand ordinaire, not a passetoutgrains. PC has the 05 and 06 for under $14, BTW (I have no affiliation). (Sharon, thanks for the note, too).
Marc - Good point about Lafouge, I posted a note on the 06 Chapelle recently, which I liked a great deal. Perhaps the Duresses is the way to go, though I would like to diversify. I can't wait to try one of the white wines.
Joe - no Giraudon at CSW now; I'll keep an eye out.
And again, thanks for the many generous replies. What a cuddly forum, as long as we steer clear of politics and diction.
Ian
Joel Stewart
Joel Stewart
this is a great thread to read....i'm taking these notes to the store. can any of these wines be enjoyed fairly young?
SteveTimko
Steve Timko
originally posted by Joel Stewart:
this is a great thread to read....i'm taking these notes to the store. can any of these wines be enjoyed fairly young?
The 2004 Marsannay are supposed to be drinking well by 2009.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Oh, dear. I have been unclear. I recommended the wines of two different makers, Dom. Parent and a completely separate house, Le Meurger.originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Jeff - Got it, thanks; I was searching for the Meurgers before. I take it you endorse the producer's whole line.
Sorry about that.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Oh, dear. I have been unclear. I recommended the wines of two different makers, Dom. Parent and a completely separate house, Le Meurger.originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Jeff - Got it, thanks; I was searching for the Meurgers before. I take it you endorse the producer's whole line.
Sorry about that.
Unclear, I fear, was my comprehension. Doh! (Thanks again).
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Cliff:
I really like Lafouge. Dureuil-Janthial, Proudhon, and Paul Pernot are also very strong. I've liked Marc Colin in this price-range in the not too distant past, but I haven't seen them for awhile.
Cliff, 'twas you who, Yoda-like, pointed me at Lafouge a few months ago. Merci, and may the force be with you.
Ian
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by Cliff:
I really like Lafouge. Dureuil-Janthial, Proudhon, and Paul Pernot are also very strong. I've liked Marc Colin in this price-range in the not too distant past, but I haven't seen them for awhile.
Cliff, 'twas you who, Yoda-like, pointed me at Lafouge a few months ago. Merci, and may the force be with you.
Ian
Glad you liked them. They've really stood apart for me lately.