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'02 JP Brun l'Ancien Terres Dorees vv
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Ive had a couple of these recently thanks to Ken Schramms Minnesota connection. Good drinking. It paired nicely with the second presidential debate.
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There are murmurings that this wine is now flat due to the plastic closure. Based on your tasting note it appears you wouldnt agree.
If I taste it next to a 2007 I wonder if Ill come to any conclusions.
If I taste it next to a 2007 I wonder if Ill come to any conclusions.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
I opened my last one a few months ago and it was anything but flat. Delightful would be a beter description.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
There are murmurings that this wine is now flat due to the plastic closure.
I've heard murmurings, too, that the shortening of the name in '02 is to blame for the wine's flatness. Except it doesn't seem flat to me, either, based on a bottle about five months ago. Of course, it didn't seem swampy or sewery to me on release either (earlier murmurings), so it would appear we have a crime without a victim. Perhaps we can come together and settle on another wine or two whose sins will more plausibly fit the agreed-upon suspects?
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originally posted by Chris Coad:
Perhaps we can come together and settle on another wine or two whose sins will more plausibly fit the agreed-upon suspects?
Im not trying to fabricate a controversy here. I swear.
A group of us just went in on a few cases and some have questioned the health of the wine with a raised brow at the closure. It tastes perfectly fine to me delicious, even. I was just hoping to get some feedback from folks who might have tasted it both on release and recently. It sounds like its doing fine. Thank you for your input.
I assume you all had at least one closure debate at some point. Would that have been lost during the Albanian attack on WT?
originally posted by Todd Abrams:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Perhaps we can come together and settle on another wine or two whose sins will more plausibly fit the agreed-upon suspects?
Im not trying to fabricate a controversy here. I swear.
There is a very real controversy. Blwood, FlaJim, and I (among others) have had consistently bad experiences with this wine. I still have 8 or so bottles left, I'll try one soon, but I'm not hopeful. Bad reduction.
Dave Nelson
Dave Nelson
I popped an '02 over the weekend (still have 3 more). Mine have either been severely reduced/sewery or outstanding.
The reduced ones (which my weekend one was) are less reduced than they were, and still drinkable, but they're not a patch on the good ones which are still fresh, lively, and invigorating in the way that not many wines other than l'Ancien can be. I have no idea whether the closure accounts for the difference between the two faces of '02 l'Ancien or whether it's something else at work.
I'm just hoping at least one of my last three is a great one.
Cheers,
Dave
The reduced ones (which my weekend one was) are less reduced than they were, and still drinkable, but they're not a patch on the good ones which are still fresh, lively, and invigorating in the way that not many wines other than l'Ancien can be. I have no idea whether the closure accounts for the difference between the two faces of '02 l'Ancien or whether it's something else at work.
I'm just hoping at least one of my last three is a great one.
Cheers,
Dave
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
Back on release I do remember some bottles showing a lot of reduction but it always blew off by the 2nd day. The one I opened this year didn't show it at all.
originally posted by SFJoe:
Very curious to find reduction problems under a leaky closure.
Why would the closure have anything to do with a reduction problem in the wine?
To me, it smacks of reduction, but it could be brett, I suppose, that seems to be the catch-all these days.
Suffice to say, there is something wrong with my bottles and there always has been.
It's hard to keep free thiols if you trickle in oxygen.originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Very curious to find reduction problems under a leaky closure.
Why would the closure have anything to do with a reduction problem in the wine?
To me, it smacks of reduction, but it could be brett, I suppose, that seems to be the catch-all these days.
Suffice to say, there is something wrong with my bottles and there always has been.
Brett is a different beast.
Sorry for your loss.
Why would the closure have anything to do with a reduction problem in the wine?
Hasn't this been the question regarding screwcaps? See, for example, Jamie Goode's work on this point.
Sure, but this one is fake cork, which should give you the opposite problem.originally posted by Thor:
Why would the closure have anything to do with a reduction problem in the wine?
Hasn't this been the question regarding screwcaps? See, for example, Jamie Goode's work on this point.
Sure, but this one is fake cork, which should give you the opposite problem.
I agree, but I was just answering Nathan's question about what a closure would have to do with reduction.