A few wines

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Jay Miller

Jay Miller
Rare Wine Company Savannah Verdhelho - almondy and richly citrussy. Vibrant and long. I like it but I don't love it. Won't buy again. I'm now about 1 for 15 on Madeiras I've liked.

2008 Rhys Skyline Vineyard Syrah & 2007 Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Syrah - very purple and barrel samply. Admirably complex but rather brutal at this point in time. I wouldn't be surprised if they develop impressively but I won't risk laying down more than a bottle or two. Difficult to drink much of them at this point in time.

1998 Soldera Casse Basse - magical

2008 Chevillon NSG 'Perrieres', 2008 Fourrier MSD 'Solon', 2008 Fourrier MSD 'Sorbe' - I've been loving the 2008 Burgundies, these are the 3 most recent. The Solon and Perrieres both benefitted greatly from about an hour of air, the Sorbe which was the most open out of the bottle did not show the same improvement and in fact seemed to shut down a little but was still delightful. The Chevillon showed the most complexity. These will all be special wines down the road but are very enjoyable to drink in their pre-shutdown phase.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
A few winesRare Wine Company Savannah Verdhelho - almondy and richly citrussy. Vibrant and long. I like it but I don't love it. Won't buy again. I'm now about 1 for 15 on Madeiras I've liked.

2008 Rhys Skyline Vineyard Syrah & 2007 Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Syrah - very purple and barrel samply. Admirably complex but rather brutal at this point in time. I wouldn't be surprised if they develop impressively but I won't risk laying down more than a bottle or two. Difficult to drink much of them at this point in time.

1998 Soldera Casse Basse - magical

2008 Chevillon NSG 'Perrieres', 2008 Fourrier MSD 'Solon', 2008 Fourrier MSD 'Sorbe' - I've been loving the 2008 Burgundies, these are the 3 most recent. The Solon and Perrieres both benefitted greatly from about an hour of air, the Sorbe which was the most open out of the bottle did not show the same improvement and in fact seemed to shut down a little but was still delightful. The Chevillon showed the most complexity. These will all be special wines down the road but are very enjoyable to drink in their pre-shutdown phase.
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Of course you would like the Fourrier more than me since the fruit, what there was of it, was unripe and the acidity was up the wazoo.

Really surprised you liked the Rhys given all the oak.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
A few winesRare Wine Company Savannah Verdhelho - almondy and richly citrussy. Vibrant and long. I like it but I don't love it. Won't buy again. I'm now about 1 for 15 on Madeiras I've liked.

2008 Rhys Skyline Vineyard Syrah & 2007 Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Syrah - very purple and barrel samply. Admirably complex but rather brutal at this point in time. I wouldn't be surprised if they develop impressively but I won't risk laying down more than a bottle or two. Difficult to drink much of them at this point in time.

1998 Soldera Casse Basse - magical

2008 Chevillon NSG 'Perrieres', 2008 Fourrier MSD 'Solon', 2008 Fourrier MSD 'Sorbe' - I've been loving the 2008 Burgundies, these are the 3 most recent. The Solon and Perrieres both benefitted greatly from about an hour of air, the Sorbe which was the most open out of the bottle did not show the same improvement and in fact seemed to shut down a little but was still delightful. The Chevillon showed the most complexity. These will all be special wines down the road but are very enjoyable to drink in their pre-shutdown phase.
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Of course you would like the Fourrier more than me since the fruit, what there was of it, was unripe and the acidity was up the wazoo.

Really surprised you liked the Rhys given all the oak.
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If "difficult to drink" conveys a delightful experience I will have to rethink my wording. I know they don't use a lot of new oak so I'm wondering how much of that oaky signature might come from both syrah's tendency to show oaky and/or the full cluster fermentation.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
A few winesRare Wine Company Savannah Verdhelho - almondy and richly citrussy. Vibrant and long. I like it but I don't love it. Won't buy again. I'm now about 1 for 15 on Madeiras I've liked.

2008 Rhys Skyline Vineyard Syrah & 2007 Rhys Horseshoe Vineyard Syrah - very purple and barrel samply. Admirably complex but rather brutal at this point in time. I wouldn't be surprised if they develop impressively but I won't risk laying down more than a bottle or two. Difficult to drink much of them at this point in time.

1998 Soldera Casse Basse - magical

2008 Chevillon NSG 'Perrieres', 2008 Fourrier MSD 'Solon', 2008 Fourrier MSD 'Sorbe' - I've been loving the 2008 Burgundies, these are the 3 most recent. The Solon and Perrieres both benefitted greatly from about an hour of air, the Sorbe which was the most open out of the bottle did not show the same improvement and in fact seemed to shut down a little but was still delightful. The Chevillon showed the most complexity. These will all be special wines down the road but are very enjoyable to drink in their pre-shutdown phase.
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This bottle of Chevillon was complex indeed - perhaps even beyond the call of duty, as it had an almost Corton-like meaty minearlity / berry sauce thing going. Tons of dirt in other words, kind of like 1998 at a slightly later stage in their evolution, similar density but with finer tannins and thus less austerity.
 
Thanks for the notes on Fourrier. I just picked up a bottle of the '08 Chambolle that I'm looking forward to checking out.

I spent the last three days working my way thorough the '08 Fourrier Bourgogne Blanc and I can't really wrap my head around it. The first day was just way more fruit and what I thought was oak than I had expected; but there was a definite acidic streak there as well. Kind of all of the place. Second day, fruit was way dialed down and acid way up. Third day kind of evened out and the last glass was pretty appealing. Enough that I picked up another bottle that I'm going to put away for a while.

I couldn't find any info on the '08 Blanc in particular, but I did find that for the '07 there was no new oak and even had a bit of Pinot Gris thrown in. So, I'm guessing what I thought was oak was probably just ripe Chardonnay (which, I have to say, I haven't had in a while). Anybody else have this recently? Or know if the '08 version is done without new oak and a bit of Pinot Gris?
 
1998 Case Basse is Soldera at his most Chambole-Musigny like, or so I think of the bottles of my experience. I have found this to show quite beautifully, but also quite youthfully. It could be several years before the next stage of evolution comes around. Which is interesting. In a way, if you tasted it blind, you would probably guess 1997.
 
I like it but I don't love it. Won't buy again. I'm now about 1 for 15 on Madeiras I've liked.
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Granted you're not 'a 95 on this', but what is it about Madeira you don't like?
I pretty much like the ones I've had, but haven't tried the coveted single-year older bottlings yet.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
I like it but I don't love it. Won't buy again. I'm now about 1 for 15 on Madeiras I've liked.
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Granted you're not 'a 95 on this', but what is it about Madeira you don't like?
I pretty much like the ones I've had, but haven't tried the coveted single-year older bottlings yet.
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va?
 
originally posted by MarkS:
I like it but I don't love it. Won't buy again. I'm now about 1 for 15 on Madeiras I've liked.
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Granted you're not 'a 95 on this', but what is it about Madeira you don't like?
I pretty much like the ones I've had, but haven't tried the coveted single-year older bottlings yet.
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Not sure. I like port and sherry, I like Musar (so I doubt it's va).

I've just never liked a single Madeira until Mr. Dougherty opened a 1934 Henrique & Henrique Verdelho and I fell in love with it. I was hoping this might be at least a pale shadow of that experience but it wasn't.
 
Tried my first 2008 tonight, which also happened to be my first Fourrier; to wit, the Gevrey Chambertin VV. Didn't like it for a while, even after a couple of hours standing in a half-empty bottle: found it tough, refractive, charmless. So-so even with food. Then I sat down on the porch after dinner with a contemplative glass and discovered surprising depth and a tight spectrum of flavors among the tart acidity, tannin and dirt. It's still low on the charm meter, but it's hooked me some, at least, with its combination of interesting qualities, all presented with striking freshness and intensity. Stylistically reminds me of 2008 Ganevat St. Julien, though with manlier musclation and a lower voice.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Tried my first 2008 tonight, which also happened to be my first Fourrier; to wit, the Gevrey Chambertin VV. Didn't like it for a while, even after a couple of hours standing in a half-empty bottle: found it tough, refractive, charmless. So-so even with food. Then I sat down on the porch after dinner with a contemplative glass and discovered surprising depth and a tight spectrum of flavors among the tart acidity, tannin and dirt. It's still low on the charm meter, but it's hooked me some, at least, with its combination of interesting qualities, all presented with striking freshness and intensity. Stylistically reminds me of 2008 Ganevat St. Julien, though with manlier musclation and a lower voice.
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huh
 
I usually like Fourrier's GC VV very much, but found the '08 very tough, with positively shrill, enamel-removing acidity. '08 in general has plenty of acid but this is the only wine where's it been a problem for me.
 
Had the last 2/5s bottle after dinner tonight. Much relaxed: the adamantine structure has dissolved into still vigorous, prickly acids, with some sweet flesh, too, albeit stretched taught. Muchachimas coffee-mocha on the nose and in the mouth. Very pretty.

Wasn't sure how to handle this last night; I guess a long decant is the ticket, But I'll hold my other bottles a few years now. So, anyway, I begin to see the light in re: Fourrier.

Unrelated, also opened an 05 Vissoux traditionelle this evening. Remarkable wine, hard to grasp as a 6-year-old villages Beaujolais.
 
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