TN: More good eats at Christine's.

Brad Kane

Brad Kane
This past Tuesday marked yet another gathering of the Tuesday Supper Club and wouldn’t you know it? Christine Huang was cooking again! Wilfred van Gorp, Bill Lawrence , Sarah Kirschbaum and I happily gathered at what’s become one of our favorite eating establishments in the city. Paul and Sandy Jaouen were the lucky couple to fill in for absent Supper Club member, Gregory dal Piaz.

What the wine gods giveth, they taketh away. Whereas the last dinner at Christine’s (last week) was a terrific night for wine, many of the wines this night showed poorly. However, with Christine’s usual stellar efforts in the kitchen and with such an august group, a great time was still had by all.

2002 Marquis d’Angerville- Meursault Santenots
There’s some sulfur and smoky/vanilla oak on the nose with a little bit of citrus and pear. The oak is more integrated on the palate, but there’s really not much to embrace here. More mineral than fruit, though the wine is fairly empty in the mid-palate. Fine, but a rather uninteresting wine. B+/B-.

2007 Ramonet- Chassagne-Montrachet “Boudriotte”
This showed nicely. Richer and more complete on the nose and palate than the d’Angerville, with lemon cream, pear, white flowers, smoke and mineral. There’s some oak present, but it’s not overdone and there’s enough fruit here to stand up to it and it should integrate with time. At present, though, it does come back and give a bitter bite on the finish. A-/B+.

2004 Domaine de Montille- Puligny-Montrachet “Les Caillerets”
Completely overwhelmed by sulfur on the nose and palate. With air it got marginally better so that you could see some mammoth structure underneath, but this bottle was just awful. Sarah mentioned this normally shows beautifully, so judgment reserved. NR.

2008 Foreau- Vouvray Demi-Sec
It’s been a year since I tried this at the domaine and my case just arrived, so I was eager to see how it was doing. The answer is wonderfully! Just a beautiful wine. It’s showing a lot more quince than it did in the cellar, with the kumquat and orange citrus a little more in the background. As always, terrific minerality and structure. There’s a neat little gingery spiciness on the finish. For those wondering how it compares to say the ’08 Huet Le Mont Demi-Sec, I’d say the Huet has a more acidic punch and liveliness to it and lacks the citrus character. In the Foreau there’s a certain creaminess to the mouthfeel. Both are terrific. A/A-.

1999 Vincent Girardin- Clos de La Roche “Vieilles Vignes”
Whoah! What’s going on here? Loaded with dill on the nose. Reduced, oaky with runaway acidity. There’s a strange, almost confected red cherry note that’s barely audible above the oak and acid cacophony. Hollow and just not pleasant at all. C-/D+.

1989 Prunotto- Barolo “Bussia”
Corked.

1998 Bartolo Mascarello- Barolo
Showed surprisingly open and was tied with the Foreau for my wine of the night. Showy on the nose with plenty of sweet fruit, roses, spice and beef blood. Sumptious and rich across the palate with black and red fruit, roses, spice and a touch of cocoa. Tannins are chewy, but the fruit is so upfront that they’re really no trouble at all. Wonderful with the beef cheeks. A/A-.

1998 Paolo Scavino- Barolo “Bric dël Fiasc”
Welcome to Spoofville! Agressively oaky, with hints of cherry fruit, but oak overwhelms everything in this wine. Shallow and aggressive on the palate. Nothing here. My experience with mid-late ‘90’s Bric dël Fiasc has all been like this. They just have not held up well and should’ve been consumed in their immediate youth while there was still fruit to stand up to the wood. C-.

1990 Bricco Rocche (Ceretto)- Barolo Prapò
I immediately got beef broth on the nose and it showed more drying than it should and a bit clipped on the finish, so clearly the bottle had seen some heat. That said, some people liked it a lot more than I did, but if it’s damaged, it’s damaged. It’s not fair to rate it if it’s got a flaw unrelated to the winemaking. NR.

1987 Laurel Glen- Cabernet Sauvignon, Sonoma Mountain
A recent Winebid purchase, I’d been looking forward to trying it as it was always one of my favorite Laurel Glens and was one of the wines I cut my teeth on when I was just getting into wine. Despite a perfect fill, this bottle showed poorly. The wine was largely devoid of fruit, save for a flickering of cherry, and dominated by herbs and dill, though, surprisingly, it did not come off as oaky. Thin with really not much going on. A really disappointing showing. C-.

2001 Doisy-Védrines- Sauternes (from 375ml)
Pleasant, though a bit one note. Not overtly sweet, with oak, butterscotch, apricot and pineapple flavors. The alcohol sticks out a bit on the finish and it could use a little more acidity, but not a bad match with the apricot soufflé. Solid B+.

Some pics from the evening:

The wines.
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Pickled salmon with potatoes.
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Roasted asparagus and enoki mushrooms with poached egg and miso butter. We loved this so much last time she made it again, though added the enoki mushrooms. That really added an extra dimension and terrific umami to the dish.
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Braised beef cheek and roasted potatoes. Tough to make the beef cheek look good in the pic, but it was delicious.
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Christine works on the apricot soufflé.
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Coming out of the oven.
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Look at the height!
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With Crème Anglaise.
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Geez, that food looks SO good (the cook looks pretty good, too!).
I read somewhere, yesterday, that back in the '80s Patrick picked by the numbers, and sometimes (or often) acidulated, to make up for acid deficiencies. Don't know about the '87, but it was surprising to read that.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Mmm. Thanks.

Any recent experience with 05 Foreau DS?

Not since release, unfortunately. I would imagine it should be shutting down now, but they were so plump and friendly on release, who knows? Might get to try one in a month and if I do, I'll report back.
 
When you used to mention it, I always told you that Laurel Glen was going nowhere. You always argued, I laughed.

So that one was not only predictable, it was predicted.

Pictures of food never come off well. Even a great photographer fails at the attempt to capture food. But thanks.

You might wanted to let the 12-year-old Baroli rest for a while. That's about the beginning of the time frame for these wines to start to show mature characteristics after a long sleep. If you've had many experiences, say, with late-'90s versions of the Scavino, you've tasted from a bunch of wasted bottles. Those wines, in part because of the wood, need more time yet, as do most of the higher-level bottlings, even where they don't use so much new wood.

The Bartolo wines usually start showing well a bit past ten years, so that one was no surprise, especially with the wines from the late '90s here being gentler than their siblings from ten years and more before.

I do see your tasting notes have matured. Congratulations. I mean that whole little disquisition on the Ceretto was right out of Wt University.
 
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
When you used to mention it, I always told you that Laurel Glen was going nowhere. You always argued, I laughed.

So that one was not only predictable, it was predicted.

I wouldn't pat yourself too hard on the back based on one bottle sourced at auction. Two years ago I had a beautiful '79 with Don Rice and I've had an '85, '91, '90 and '94 within the past couple years that have also shown nicely. The last '87 I had was about six years ago and that one showed well.

Pictures of food never come off well. Even a great photographer fails at the attempt to capture food. But thanks.

You and a couple of other crotchety folks I know here feel that way. Most people I know seem to like them. You eating meat yet?

You might wanted to let the 12-year-old Baroli rest for a while. That's about the beginning of the time frame for these wines to start to show mature characteristics after a long sleep. If you've had many experiences, say, with late-'90s versions of the Scavino, you've tasted from a bunch of wasted bottles. Those wines, in part because of the wood, need more time yet, as do most of the higher-level bottlings, even where they don't use so much new wood.

We're going to have to agree to disagree on the Scavino. I see absolutely no hope for them. There's just not enough wine to support the wood, to my palate. I've heard that in recent years that they've pulled back on the oak, but the mid-late '90's era from them are useless, save for auction fodder, imho.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane: Two years ago I had a beautiful '79 with Don Rice and I've had an '85, '91, '90 and '94 within the past couple years that have also shown nicely. The last '87 I had was about six years ago and that one showed well.

Brad, Less than favorable reviews by me and others of Patrick's Cabernet Sauvignons are few and far between. I suspect something was amiss with your bottle.

The food photos document your event nicely. Christine must be quite talented.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
When you used to mention it, I always told you that Laurel Glen was going nowhere. You always argued, I laughed.

So that one was not only predictable, it was predicted.

I wouldn't pat yourself too hard on the back based on one bottle sourced at auction. Two years ago I had a beautiful '79 with Don Rice

I don't think Laurel Glen was releasing Cab before the 1981 vintage.
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
When you used to mention it, I always told you that Laurel Glen was going nowhere. You always argued, I laughed.

So that one was not only predictable, it was predicted.

I wouldn't pat yourself too hard on the back based on one bottle sourced at auction. Two years ago I had a beautiful '79 with Don Rice

I don't think Laurel Glen was releasing Cab before the 1981 vintage.

Yeah, I just went through this with Doug Wilder on facebook and got this response from Patrick Campbell, who chimed in, which I'll quote.

"Here's the deal on the 1978 and 1979 LGs. We were selling to Kenwood for the Artist Series cabernet those years and had the foresight to skim off a couple of barrels' worth for ourselves those two years. The 1979 remains one of my all time favorites, proving that blind luck can produce a super wine from time to time. I think I have a few bottles of each still remaining in the depths of the cellar. Good to hear that there are a few floating around out there. "

The story I got from Don was around '94 or so, he and Loren Grossman attended an event here in NY with Patrick. At that event, Patrick gave a bottle each of the '79 to Don and Loren. Patrick made a '78 and '79 Sonoma Mountain, but he didn't have a license to sell them commercially, so the first official release was the '81.
 
The '80s Laurel Glens were never wines to age and in some cases not to drink young, either. Sorry. The winemaker being a nice guy, as he is, doesn't change that. The wines got better in the '90s. I still don't see any benefit in aging that wine. But I mentioned only the '87, because it was sort of a running joke between us at Garnet. You can open as many of those as you like, you're not going to find a wine that has aged well. But if you insist, go right ahead and keep opening and buying.

I don't defend the woodiness of that Scavino wine. Go back and see what I said. I talked about the timing of opening Barolo, especially of types not meant to be drunk young. You mention multiple times tasting late '90s BdF and I say that's a waste - a checkup or two is one thing, but to go back to wines in that condition again and again makes no sense. The late '80s Scavino BdF wines are not bad now, though last time I tasted one it needed a lot of breathing (the '89). And this is usually the case with his wine. I don't know that enforcing so long a wait and requiring aeration besides is a good choice of presentation for a lightish, minerally kind of Barolo, but that's essentially the way it is always set up with Scavino. And, I should add, this is traditional timing for Barolo. You're waiting for a different set of tannins and structural features to meld in his wine as compared to "traditional" Barolo (which we don't see so much any more), but you still need to show inordinate patience to get full benefit from the wines.

If you don't like that Scavino, he does make a more reasonable wine for his basic bottling. Or you could buy someone else's wine. In any case, twelve years is about the beginning of where you want to open higher-level Barolo, not prime time. So we recall the old line, if you don't like it now, let it age and see what happpens.

Unless it's '87 Laurel Glen.
 
Yes, Patrick has for many years brought that '79 to tastings. It's not a bad wine. Had you asked about it I would have told you so. Though I last tried it about 18 years ago, give or take. It would probably be best to drink it up, if you're still getting anything interesting out of it. Which may be why the bottles were handed out.

I would venture, as I did at a tasting with Mr. Campbell in the early '90s, the thought that the '79 tastes good relative to the '80s wines as a function of what he did not think do to it. Maybe he took such comments to heart going forward in the '90s, because the wines did improve.
 
Actually, the 85 and 86 LG were excellent a couple of years ago when I last drank them.

Interesting info, Brad, thanks.
 
I had a 1994 Laurel Glen tonight with my parents over dinner. It was fantastic, in a quiet way. The nose was a dark earth minerality and herbs with a deep core of dark stone pit fruit. The palate was still evolving, but austere in a a way I associate with the "somethingness" of this property. The (listed) alcohol was 12.5%. The wine was lovely. It was my last. Not just of this vintage, but period.

The property has been sold (good for Patrick getting a retirement fund). The new owners are bringing in a "dream team" to "lift the property to it's rightful place".

Laurel Glen Sonoma Mountain cabernet has provided me with many beautiful, transcendent experiences over the years, with many friends, some of whom I rarely see anymore. I've never written sadder words about a California property than the above paragraph.
 
originally posted by VLM:

The property has been sold (good for Patrick getting a retirement fund). The new owners are bringing in a "dream team" to "lift the property to it's rightful place".

Laurel Glen Sonoma Mountain cabernet has provided me with many beautiful, transcendent experiences over the years, with many friends, some of whom I rarely see anymore. I've never written sadder words about a California property than the above paragraph.

I completely agree.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by VLM:

The property has been sold (good for Patrick getting a retirement fund). The new owners are bringing in a "dream team" to "lift the property to it's rightful place".

Laurel Glen Sonoma Mountain cabernet has provided me with many beautiful, transcendent experiences over the years, with many friends, some of whom I rarely see anymore. I've never written sadder words about a California property than the above paragraph.

I completely agree.

I know, right? Somebody note the time and date.
 
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