Bastardo/Trousseau

[Jamie Goode]

I've heard these are the same variety. Is that true? If so, makes sense. Love the Conceito Bastardo 2007 and 2009; slightly less keen on the austere 2008. I love pale-coloured red wines.

 

[SFJoe]

It makes sense?

It's true, but to me it doesn't make sense.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

Continuing in the counterintuitive vein is that it's a cross of Petit Verdot and Duras.

And was it really brought to the Jura via the the route to Santiago de Compostela?

 

[Christian Miller (CMM)]

I love pale-coloured red wines.

Not Jura-esque, but well worth trying - St. Amant's "Tawny Port." It's called Tawny Port to satisfy labeling regs from puzzled TTB bureacrats, but in fact it's Bastardo, vinified and aged in a similar fashion to Madeira. Unique and tasty. Yes, it's rather pale.

 

[VLM]

originally posted by Jamie Goode:
Bastardo/TrousseauI've heard these are the same variety. Is that true? If so, makes sense. Love the Conceito Bastardo 2007 and 2009; slightly less keen on the austere 2008. I love pale-coloured red wines.

Jamie welcome to Wine Disorder. Eat shit and die.

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[Jeff Connell]

originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
Continuing in the counterintuitive vein is that it's a cross of Petit Verdot and Duras.

And was it really brought to the Jura via the the route to Santiago de Compostela?

Marguerite? Actually it was brought from the Jura.

 

[Sharon Bowman]

How does that work with its lineage?

 

[Cory Cartwright]

originally posted by VLM:


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What about vintages?

 

[Steve Edmunds]

originally posted by Cory Cartwright:

originally posted by VLM:


The best place to compare grapes, regions, and flor.

What about vintages?

please refer questions about vintages to the general...

 

[VS]

Trousseau was never brought from the Jura: it is indeed a natural cross, Petit Verdot X Duras, and that could only have happened in southwestern France. From there it moved as far as the Jura, but also Portugal, Asturias (albarín negro), Galicia (bastardo), the Spanish Duero (bruñal) and even the faraway Canary Islands (baboso).

 

[Steven Spielmann]

Trousseau = Bastardo is not the same grape apparently as Tressot = Petit Verdot x Duras. According to this article

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Trousseau has parent/offspring relationships to Traminer and Trincadeiro and is a sibling to Blancs Sauvignon and Chenin. But the Tressot/Trousseau confusion is documented on Wikipedia.

 

[VS]

You're right. It's the almost extinct (0.2 hectares remaining in the Yonne!) Burgundian tressot that is a duras X petit verdot cross. That said, the origins of trousseau remain vague. "Trincadeiro" doesn't exist; they probably mean trincadeira preta/tinta amarela, a Portuguese grape. Where would trincadeira meet up with traminer in the field? Traminer is also known as savagnin, but that doesn't help much, of course.

 

[Steven Spielmann]

I have no idea of course, but Portugal/Alentejo seems like a not impossible answer, if they indeed mean Trincadeira. Traminer is an old and pretty widespread grape and is apparently a parent of Verdelho as well.

But I should add that from that chart I think we don't know whether Trincadeiro/a (assuming they're the same) is a parent or child of Trousseau - it could also be that Traminer x ? = Trousseau and Trousseau x ?? = Trincadeira, e.g..

 

[Jamie Goode]

So is Bastardo the same as Brunal? Had an interesting Brunal in Arribes a while back.