Jim Hanlon
Jim Hanlon
I've only tasted l'Ultime a couple times, but its been riper and bigger than his other wines from the same vintage in each instance. I'd treat it like a Cuvee Marcel Lapierre and age it.
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2009 Cru Beaujolais tasting
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I've only tasted l'Ultime a couple times, but its been riper and bigger than his other wines from the same vintage in each instance. I'd treat it like a Cuvee Marcel Lapierre and age it.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Thanks; I've liked the Trois Roches, too. I was most surprised by your reaction to the Garants. I've only imbibed the 05, which I liked, but the 09 has been praised by quite a few folks. I hope they come around, as I'm planning to take in a few bottles yet.
originally posted by SFJoe:
You're too young to remember all the ugliness about 1991.originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
Countdown to 2010 backlash in 300 days and counting...
Surely you exaggerate. I can't remember any blacklash against previous Beaujolais vintages? 2009 seems a special case in that regard.
Once every 18 years isn't so bad.
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Based on Levi's anxious review, I've put my Ultime away in the cellar, but I only bought one or two.originally posted by Mark Davis:
Do you buy all the Metras bottlings or concentrate on one? I haven't opened any of the L'Ultime yet...but have plenty and have one pulled from the cellar.
-mark
I've only tasted l'Ultime a couple times, but its been riper and bigger than his other wines from the same vintage in each instance. I'd treat it like a Cuvee Marcel Lapierre and age it.
I loved the 2007 Cuvee Marcel Lapierre....but..to me...the 2009 is like a CA Cab. at present :( I hope the L'Ultime isn't like that.
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks; I've liked the Trois Roches, too. I was most surprised by your reaction to the Garants. I've only imbibed the 05, which I liked, but the 09 has been praised by quite a few folks. I hope they come around, as I'm planning to take in a few bottles yet.
Hi Ian-
The Garants was well made...it was fine...it just wasn't typical...and that is something that is important to me -- call me crazy. Still, it was #3 in what I found the strongest flight of the night (FLEURIE), which isn't too bad. I would gladly drink the wine with dinner tonight.
As a flight, the most disappointing was MORGON, by far...Overall, quite disappointing...especially to me...since Foillard and Lapierre are wines I buy every year and like quite a bit. Often Desvignes and Thevenet too.
My expectations were not as high for flight 1.
The relative quality of the flights probably didn't come across...
0. Ducroux Regnie :-)
1. fleurie/MaV/Chenas
2. morgon
3. everything else from flight 1
-mark
Bryan Garcia
Bryan Garcia
originally posted by Mark Davis:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Based on Levi's anxious review, I've put my Ultime away in the cellar, but I only bought one or two.originally posted by Mark Davis:
Do you buy all the Metras bottlings or concentrate on one? I haven't opened any of the L'Ultime yet...but have plenty and have one pulled from the cellar.
-mark
I've only tasted l'Ultime a couple times, but its been riper and bigger than his other wines from the same vintage in each instance. I'd treat it like a Cuvee Marcel Lapierre and age it.
I loved the 2007 Cuvee Marcel Lapierre....but..to me...the 2009 is like a CA Cab. at present :( I hope the L'Ultime isn't like that.
The '07 Cuvee Marcel was shut down hard on release and a couple of months later. When was the last bottle you had? '09 had the same obvious structure but the ripe fruit made it easier to drink. Had a bottle of '09 2 weeks ago.
Guilhaume gerard
Guilhaume gerard
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Based on Levi's anxious review, I've put my Ultime away in the cellar, but I only bought one or two.originally posted by Mark Davis:
Do you buy all the Metras bottlings or concentrate on one? I haven't opened any of the L'Ultime yet...but have plenty and have one pulled from the cellar.
-mark
I've only tasted l'Ultime a couple times, but its been riper and bigger than his other wines from the same vintage in each instance. I'd treat it like a Cuvee Marcel Lapierre and age it.
i'd treat it like cuvee marcel and drink carbonic carignan if thats the mood i'm in.
Yvon likes ripeness, a lot more than any of the other guys around (he harvested mid september in 03 while foillard was in the vineyards with the pickers late august) and he doesn't believe that his wines will age better with more acidity. Not sure i agree, but he's still one of my favorite producer, outside of 09's, but then, i don't like 09's in beaujolais all that much..
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
originally posted by Bryan Garcia:
originally posted by Mark Davis:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Based on Levi's anxious review, I've put my Ultime away in the cellar, but I only bought one or two.originally posted by Mark Davis:
Do you buy all the Metras bottlings or concentrate on one? I haven't opened any of the L'Ultime yet...but have plenty and have one pulled from the cellar.
-mark
I've only tasted l'Ultime a couple times, but its been riper and bigger than his other wines from the same vintage in each instance. I'd treat it like a Cuvee Marcel Lapierre and age it.
I loved the 2007 Cuvee Marcel Lapierre....but..to me...the 2009 is like a CA Cab. at present :( I hope the L'Ultime isn't like that.
The '07 Cuvee Marcel was shut down hard on release and a couple of months later. When was the last bottle you had? '09 had the same obvious structure but the ripe fruit made it easier to drink. Had a bottle of '09 2 weeks ago.
2009: Last time: Dec 3rd, 2010. RIPE, 14.5% -- and tasted like it, incredibly extracted, etc. The alcohol isn't going away either...really disappointing for me.
2007: Q3/Q4 2010. Brilliant cool climate wine.
Zachary Ross
Zachary Ross
originally posted by Bryan Garcia:
originally posted by Mark Davis:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Based on Levi's anxious review, I've put my Ultime away in the cellar, but I only bought one or two.originally posted by Mark Davis:
Do you buy all the Metras bottlings or concentrate on one? I haven't opened any of the L'Ultime yet...but have plenty and have one pulled from the cellar.
-mark
I've only tasted l'Ultime a couple times, but its been riper and bigger than his other wines from the same vintage in each instance. I'd treat it like a Cuvee Marcel Lapierre and age it.
I loved the 2007 Cuvee Marcel Lapierre....but..to me...the 2009 is like a CA Cab. at present :( I hope the L'Ultime isn't like that.
The '07 Cuvee Marcel was shut down hard on release and a couple of months later. When was the last bottle you had? '09 had the same obvious structure but the ripe fruit made it easier to drink. Had a bottle of '09 2 weeks ago.
I just had a glass of the 07 Cuvee Marcel the other day: so, so good. Great structure, granite, freshness. I preferred it to the 09.
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
originally posted by Jim Hanlon:
originally posted by SFJoe:
Based on Levi's anxious review, I've put my Ultime away in the cellar, but I only bought one or two.originally posted by Mark Davis:
Do you buy all the Metras bottlings or concentrate on one? I haven't opened any of the L'Ultime yet...but have plenty and have one pulled from the cellar.
-mark
I've only tasted l'Ultime a couple times, but its been riper and bigger than his other wines from the same vintage in each instance. I'd treat it like a Cuvee Marcel Lapierre and age it.
i'd treat it like cuvee marcel and drink carbonic carignan if thats the mood i'm in.
Yvon likes ripeness, a lot more than any of the other guys around (he harvested mid september in 03 while foillard was in the vineyards with the pickers late august) and he doesn't believe that his wines will age better with more acidity. Not sure i agree, but he's still one of my favorite producer, outside of 09's, but then, i don't like 09's in beaujolais all that much..
Guilhaume: Interesting information, thanks...I didn't realize Yvon favors ripeness -- had I known that, I would have moderated my 09 purchases...although, the Printemps is quite good today and didn't come across as overly ripe, given the vintage.
Guilhaume gerard
Guilhaume gerard
My last printemps was 08 as i was avoiding the current release. I remember drinking l'ultime (blind) in paris with a few chefs, and we were all throwing southern names, expecting a 14.5 carbonic carignan or some sort of blend.
When we realized it was the (just released) l'ultime, we knew we wouldn't be ordering much 09's from Metras.
I also recall tasting the cote du py 09 with agnes
foillard, next to their "nouveau" 2010. I drank two third of the nouveau and couldn't finish my glass of py. So yes, bring them 2010!
When we realized it was the (just released) l'ultime, we knew we wouldn't be ordering much 09's from Metras.
I also recall tasting the cote du py 09 with agnes
foillard, next to their "nouveau" 2010. I drank two third of the nouveau and couldn't finish my glass of py. So yes, bring them 2010!
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
originally posted by Brézème:
So your theory is that if a wine taste bad on day 2, it won't age?
Very interesting.
One data-point. If the wine falls apart in 4 hours, that isn't a good sign.
I think the ultimate measure is balance -- acid/tannin/alcohol/fruit as primary components. If I had to isolate one component, it would be acidity....but you cannot isolate with balance.
My more formal, but much less interesting, tasting notes usually break the palate down by acid/tannin/astringency/body/intensity/alcohol level/etc. It's a bit analytical and ultimately...the thing I care about if whether I liked the stuff or not and if not, why.
Do you disagree? I'm very interested in your take -- even if I was harassing you a bit about Cote Rotie and Cornas of late (I want my Verset back!) :).
Regards,
-mark
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
originally posted by SFJoe:
Typicite is a tough semantic concept everywhere, but it's hard to think of anywhere that it's harder to pin down than the Beaujolais.
These days, it probably means thermovinification.
I don't expect the wines to be overly extracted/big/structured -- especially in Fleurie (perhaps more so in MaV), high in Al, over-ripe, etc...Is that me being crazy (again?)?
nigel groundwater
nigel groundwater
I like the Garants more than the Poncie in 2009 [but that has flip-flopped over the years] but like them both and haven't found Ethyl Acetate [EA I assume? and usually found in tandem with VA] to be an issue with either.originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
Thanks; I've liked the Trois Roches, too. I was most surprised by your reaction to the Garants. I've only imbibed the 05, which I liked, but the 09 has been praised by quite a few folks. I hope they come around, as I'm planning to take in a few bottles yet.
I can see that the Garants is pretty big for Fleurie but I like it and intend to drink mine over an extended period.
I was drinking the Trois Roches MaVs when they were only 2 Rocks and like them even more today.
originally posted by Mark Davis:
originally posted by Brézème:
So your theory is that if a wine taste bad on day 2, it won't age?
Very interesting.
Do you disagree?
Mostly.
I could have pour all my gentaz down to the sink on this theory...
Mark Davis
Mark Davis
originally posted by Brézème:
originally posted by Mark Davis:
originally posted by Brézème:
So your theory is that if a wine taste bad on day 2, it won't age?
Very interesting.
Do you disagree?
Mostly.
I could have pour all my gentaz down to the sink on this theory...
So you find Gentaz out of balance, or they fall apart on you in 4 hours?
I like the wines - I buy several bottlings that make it to the US.
-mark
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
originally posted by Mark Davis:
I like the wines - I buy several bottlings that make it to the US.
-mark
Whoa, Gentaz retired in 1993.