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it is rare that a human being should be disqualified from any activity which involves persons outside immediate family members, based on just one statement, but this may just do it
originally posted by Jay Miller:
Sorry, but the whole issue with the premature oxidation curse is that it strikes randomly and some bottles in a case will be affected and others won't.
Examine the language you are using carefully. It is mystical. While there very well may be a problem, and I have had bottles of 1996 white Burgundy that seemed prematurely aged and oxidized, until there is some sort of causal explanation that has a testable null hypothesis, I'm leery of the whole thing.
There are so many alternate explanations that no reasonable person with a halfway scientific bent could settle on this with the kind of evidence in existence.
Jay Miller
Jay Miller
originally posted by mlawton:
Re: 94:
malolactic
"Next we'll hear that JJ Prm is having issues..."
That's not premature oxidation, it's premature peroxidation!
I thought '93 was the year that went through malo?
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by David M. Bueker:
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I opened three straight 2002 Chablis a few weeks ago that were totally shot while identical bottles in terms of provenance were pristine.
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David - whose Chablis was this?
originally posted by VLM:
Several posters had the 1996 at the annual Bwood-Durham conference.
Monkey: How is the 96 drinking these days (the CFE, not the CSH)?
David M. Bueker
David M. Bueker
Ian,
The Chablis were from Michel (Vaillons), Brocard (Les Clos) and Fevre (Bougros). Subsequent bottles were pristine and delicious.
The Chablis were from Michel (Vaillons), Brocard (Les Clos) and Fevre (Bougros). Subsequent bottles were pristine and delicious.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Geez, David. That's depressing.
If you are ever in the 'hood (near the Blue Ridge mountains) drop a line and we'll do some testing among my 02s (though the selection may be somewhat inferior).
If you are ever in the 'hood (near the Blue Ridge mountains) drop a line and we'll do some testing among my 02s (though the selection may be somewhat inferior).
David M. Bueker
David M. Bueker
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
If you are ever in the 'hood (near the Blue Ridge mountains) drop a line and we'll do some testing among my 02s (though the selection may be somewhat inferior).
My folks live in Harrisonburg, VA (dubious state abbreviation for wine lovers). Anywhere near you?
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Personally, I haven't had a '96-2000 FE in a number of years but was concerned by what Brad and John had reported.
Brad?
BRAD?
Really?
I guess you missed him dumping a beautiful glassful of '82 CSH and declaring it "oxidized," all evidence of everyone else's senses to the contrary.
Let me rephrase. All y'all have a higher tolerance for flawed wine than I do. Sorry, that '82 CSH just wasn't good and it was only half a glass I dumped.
Wow. I say again, Wow.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Personally, I haven't had a '96-2000 FE in a number of years but was concerned by what Brad and John had reported.
Brad?
BRAD?
Really?
I guess you missed him dumping a beautiful glassful of '82 CSH and declaring it "oxidized," all evidence of everyone else's senses to the contrary.
Let me rephrase. All y'all have a higher tolerance for flawed wine than I do. Sorry, that '82 CSH just wasn't good and it was only half a glass I dumped.
Wow. I say again, Wow.
You see? And people constantly accuse me of making shit like that up. I only wish I were that creative.
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
Thank you. I often think of myself as Kane's Boswell.
originally posted by Chris Coad:
Thank you. I often think of myself as Kane's Boswell.
Should I be awaiting his dictionary? Will it have the definitive examples for "badly oxidized" and "lacking sweetness?"
Mark Lipton
I often think of myself as Kane's Boswell.
The guy who assigned the Angels their tasks?
Chris Coad
Chris Coad
originally posted by Thor:
I often think of myself as Kane's Boswell.
The guy who assigned the Angels their tasks?
Tom Bosley?
David M. Bueker
David M. Bueker
Ignacio Villalgordo
Ignacio Villalgordo
Well, being the cause of the discussion, i might just step in
I do not pretend to put here my cv in order to make myself heard. I am 34 and live in madrid. Being from a mediterranean country, i have been tasting wine since i was a child; last 5 years tasting in elmundovino with other disorderlly board members. I posted occasionally in therapy and have been lurking in this board. Reason is simple: i find more similarities between my palate here than elsewere, but is hard to get through the insider's jokes
Personally, I do not care much what you think of me, my tastes or my experience. I have had my share of old bottles to discern an oxidized wine from a pristine bottle. In the case of CSH, they were to be found for a song here in spain not so long ago, so i have purchased and drunk quite a few; besides some old ones purchased in systembolaget which were trully amazing
From the bottles we have drunk of 1999, and specially 1997, we have experienced great variation. From light green colours to ambar; from lemony to honeyed flavours. All bottles were purchased on release from the importer and stored in pristine conditions ever since
But what has someone from the third world have to teach you knowledgable new yorkers? Nothing, I would say...
Adios
I do not pretend to put here my cv in order to make myself heard. I am 34 and live in madrid. Being from a mediterranean country, i have been tasting wine since i was a child; last 5 years tasting in elmundovino with other disorderlly board members. I posted occasionally in therapy and have been lurking in this board. Reason is simple: i find more similarities between my palate here than elsewere, but is hard to get through the insider's jokes
Personally, I do not care much what you think of me, my tastes or my experience. I have had my share of old bottles to discern an oxidized wine from a pristine bottle. In the case of CSH, they were to be found for a song here in spain not so long ago, so i have purchased and drunk quite a few; besides some old ones purchased in systembolaget which were trully amazing
From the bottles we have drunk of 1999, and specially 1997, we have experienced great variation. From light green colours to ambar; from lemony to honeyed flavours. All bottles were purchased on release from the importer and stored in pristine conditions ever since
But what has someone from the third world have to teach you knowledgable new yorkers? Nothing, I would say...
Adios