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originally posted by Yixin:
How are the twins?
Sadly, they're both Wayne Rooney fans. They've even been seen wearing red jerseys.
Mark Lipton
originally posted by VLM:
Yeah, but you fucking hate Tondonia.
And in Spain, all the wine is cooked.
Sorry to increase your tantrum, but I love Tondonia and that one was in perfect shape, as wine tends to be nowadays in most Spanish restaurants. I forgot to add that everyone here, even modest places like Casa Felipe, uses Riedels or reasonable facsimiles thereof, while every bistrot save one in Brittany had those awful, tiny, thick, five-and-dime goblets...
Guilhaume gerard
Guilhaume gerard
Tondonia is over a 100 hectares. Maybe the wine is cheap because there's a whole lot of it?
Sorry (again) to disappoint. Most of the Tondonia vineyard is planted to red grape varieties, basically tempranillo - and a small portion of that actually goes into Viña Tondonia red (Reserva or Gran Reserva). Average yearly production of Viña Tondonia Reserva white is about 1,600 cases.originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
Tondonia is over a 100 hectares. Maybe the wine is cheap because there's a whole lot of it?
Levi Dalton
Levi Dalton
originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
Tondonia is over a 100 hectares. Maybe the wine is cheap because there's a whole lot of it?
Troll much?
Er, how much?
Guilhaume gerard
Guilhaume gerard
originally posted by VS:
Sorry (again) to disappoint. Most of the Tondonia vineyard is planted to red grape varieties, basically tempranillo - and a small portion of that actually goes into Viña Tondonia red (Reserva or Gran Reserva). Average yearly production of Viña Tondonia Reserva white is about 1,600 cases.originally posted by Guilhaume gerard:
Tondonia is over a 100 hectares. Maybe the wine is cheap because there's a whole lot of it?
Not disapointed a bit. Had no idea how much white they were bottling, now i do. Thanks for that.
Morgan Harris
Morgan Harris
Maria Jose says, at least for the blancos, she likes Gravonia over Tondonia, at least as of the wine dinner we did with her at Tangled Vine this spring. Gravonia is an all-white vineyard, specifically planted there because the soils are more calcerous, which gives the Vieura more acid and a unique minerality.
Tondonia blanco is kind of an anomally. The viura just happens to be planted in what's otherwise a red vineyard (I imagine for winemaking-sake in pre-historic times, much like Viogner in Cote Rotie), and so the wine is, in some ways, an an afterthough.
I for one appreciate the fact that there's a lot of Tondonia, because it keeps the prices down, or at least it did until about six months ago when importer/distrubutors hiked the price through the roof, especially on older vintages. Not that they're incorrect in doing this, since the wine has always been underpriced in my mind.
That being said it's now possible to get back-vintages for cheaper on restaurant lists (or retail, *Astor*..) than wholesale these days, as the '64 GRs (all wines) are wholesale $600/bottle now, which I imagine is too rich for pretty much everyone's blood.
Tondonia blanco is kind of an anomally. The viura just happens to be planted in what's otherwise a red vineyard (I imagine for winemaking-sake in pre-historic times, much like Viogner in Cote Rotie), and so the wine is, in some ways, an an afterthough.
I for one appreciate the fact that there's a lot of Tondonia, because it keeps the prices down, or at least it did until about six months ago when importer/distrubutors hiked the price through the roof, especially on older vintages. Not that they're incorrect in doing this, since the wine has always been underpriced in my mind.
That being said it's now possible to get back-vintages for cheaper on restaurant lists (or retail, *Astor*..) than wholesale these days, as the '64 GRs (all wines) are wholesale $600/bottle now, which I imagine is too rich for pretty much everyone's blood.
Jesus.originally posted by Morgan Harris:
the '64 GRs (all wines) are wholesale $600/bottle
Not that they aren't worth it, I suppose.
originally posted by VS:
originally posted by VLM:
Yeah, but you fucking hate Tondonia.
And in Spain, all the wine is cooked.
Sorry to increase your tantrum, but I love Tondonia and that one was in perfect shape, as wine tends to be nowadays in most Spanish restaurants. I forgot to add that everyone here, even modest places like Casa Felipe, uses Riedels or reasonable facsimiles thereof, while every bistrot save one in Brittany had those awful, tiny, thick, five-and-dime goblets...
So you're saying it's hard to find restaurants with crappy wines and bad glassware in Spain? How is that comparison representative of what you find in either country?
I'm not saying it can't be true but I sure saw a lot of bad wine lists and terrible glasses at absurd prices while living in Barcelona. Actually, places like Monvinic and El Celler d'Aspic shine precisely because they aren't the norm.
Crappy wines, alas, abound in both countries. All of it a lot cheaper in Spain, though. And the good wines are also cheaper. Glassware in Spain is, on the whole, much better than in France.originally posted by César E.:
So you're saying it's hard to find restaurants with crappy wines and bad glassware in Spain?
originally posted by VS:
originally posted by VLM:
Yeah, but you fucking hate Tondonia.
And in Spain, all the wine is cooked.
Sorry to increase your tantrum, but I love Tondonia and that one was in perfect shape, as wine tends to be nowadays in most Spanish restaurants. I forgot to add that everyone here, even modest places like Casa Felipe, uses Riedels or reasonable facsimiles thereof, while every bistrot save one in Brittany had those awful, tiny, thick, five-and-dime goblets...
I was just kidding Victor. I won't go to Europe again any time soon anyway. $1.44/euro is bullshit.
Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
originally posted by VLM:
$1.44/euro is bullshit.
Au contraire...
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
Great opportunity for discerning European connoisseurs to stock up on Marcassin.
Brian Greenwood
Brian Greenwood
originally posted by Morgan Harris:
Maria Jose says, at least for the blancos, she likes Gravonia over Tondonia, at least as of the wine dinner we did with her at Tangled Vine this spring. Gravonia is an all-white vineyard, specifically planted there because the soils are more calcerous, which gives the Vieura more acid and a unique minerality.
Tondonia blanco is kind of an anomally. The viura just happens to be planted in what's otherwise a red vineyard (I imagine for winemaking-sake in pre-historic times, much like Viogner in Cote Rotie), and so the wine is, in some ways, an an afterthough.
I for one appreciate the fact that there's a lot of Tondonia, because it keeps the prices down, or at least it did until about six months ago when importer/distrubutors hiked the price through the roof, especially on older vintages. Not that they're incorrect in doing this, since the wine has always been underpriced in my mind.
That being said it's now possible to get back-vintages for cheaper on restaurant lists (or retail, *Astor*..) than wholesale these days, as the '64 GRs (all wines) are wholesale $600/bottle now, which I imagine is too rich for pretty much everyone's blood.
Not so much a question of an increase by importers/distributors as of a massive price hike on older vintages at the winery. Supply and demand, I'm afraid--they were selling too fast, and once they're gone, they're gone.