TN: A few wines at Paul's baconpalooza

originally posted by John McIlwain:
originally posted by Bill Lundstrom:
bentons bacon from knoxville is awesome.
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Yes, it is.
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Funny, we had a discussion about Benton's while eating and I think the general feeling was it's best used for flavoring other things as it's too salty on it's own. Of course, ymmv.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I actually like my bacon a little chewy, so I usually broil it. I also agree that regular cut bacon is better for a blt than thick cut.
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You should commit ritual suicide.

Or just come South. We'll introduce you the Water Moccasin.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
I actually like my bacon a little chewy, so I usually broil it. I also agree that regular cut bacon is better for a blt than thick cut.
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You should commit ritual suicide.

Or just come South. We'll introduce you the Water Moccasin.
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Moccasin shmoccasin. We have them in NJ and I've been bit by a copperhead.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
"Its", for crying out loud.
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If this post refers to the post above you, since the word was a contraction, "it's" is correct. "Its" is only the possessive.

On the Kane/VLM debate, it has become a matter of semantics. The monkey seems to mean by bacon only the form of salt cured pork belly made in North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky and Tennessee. Working with this definition, he is, of course, correct that only the Southeastern US makes real bacon. Of course this definition produces his conclusion as a tautology and so makes the argument without interest.

I suppose he could further specify that salt cured pork belly made in these states has some property that salt cured pork belly made nowhere else has (in addition to its provenance). That would make the argument have more content. It would still make the claim that only the Southeastern US makes real bacon be, at best, an hyperbole.

It pains me to agree with Brad on two counts, but, on the issue of grammar, unless the rules changed while I was away, it's (note again the contraction)cut and dried, so to speak. On the "bacon" issue, if we use the word as most other speakers of English do, he's also right but VLM seems to have issues other than language in mind so the issue, as opposed to the bacon, is less cut and dried.
 
Thank you, professor. Let's also not forget that the monkey was incorrect about the origin of blt's. I'm going to savor this clean sweep.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Thank you, professor. Let's also not forget that the monkey was incorrect about the origin of blt's. I'm going to savor this clean sweep.
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the blt's what?

oh, you mean plural, not possessive - perhaps BLTs works better?
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by SFJoe:
"Its", for crying out loud.
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If this post refers to the post above you, since the word was a contraction, "it's" is correct. "Its" is only the possessive.

On the Kane/VLM debate, it has become a matter of semantics. The monkey seems to mean by bacon only the form of salt cured pork belly made in North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky and Tennessee. Working with this definition, he is, of course, correct that only the Southeastern US makes real bacon. Of course this definition produces his conclusion as a tautology and so makes the argument without interest.

I suppose he could further specify that salt cured pork belly made in these states has some property that salt cured pork belly made nowhere else has (in addition to its provenance). That would make the argument have more content. It would still make the claim that only the Southeastern US makes real bacon be, at best, an hyperbole.

It pains me to agree with Brad on two counts, but, on the issue of grammar, unless the rules changed while I was away, it's (note again the contraction)cut and dried, so to speak. On the "bacon" issue, if we use the word as most other speakers of English do, he's also right but VLM seems to have issues other than language in mind so the issue, as opposed to the bacon, is less cut and dried.
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I'm not defining bacon as being from a certain place. What I am saying is what we mean when we talk about bacon is not, in fact, motherfucking Roman "bacon". It is a salt and sugar cured smoked pork belly that is Southern in origin. I brought you in because this is Semiotics and that is your thing.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Thank you, professor. Let's also not forget that the monkey was incorrect about the origin of blt's. I'm going to savor this clean sweep.
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Then I could argue that tomatoes came from the New World.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Thank you, professor. Let's also not forget that the monkey was incorrect about the origin of blt's. I'm going to savor this clean sweep.
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Then I could argue that tomatoes came from the New World.
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There's no argument there. Tomatoes did come from the New World.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
originally posted by SFJoe:
"Its", for crying out loud.
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If this post refers to the post above you, since the word was a contraction, "it's" is correct. "Its" is only the possessive.

On the Kane/VLM debate, it has become a matter of semantics. The monkey seems to mean by bacon only the form of salt cured pork belly made in North Carolina, Virginia, Kentucky and Tennessee. Working with this definition, he is, of course, correct that only the Southeastern US makes real bacon. Of course this definition produces his conclusion as a tautology and so makes the argument without interest.

I suppose he could further specify that salt cured pork belly made in these states has some property that salt cured pork belly made nowhere else has (in addition to its provenance). That would make the argument have more content. It would still make the claim that only the Southeastern US makes real bacon be, at best, an hyperbole.

It pains me to agree with Brad on two counts, but, on the issue of grammar, unless the rules changed while I was away, it's (note again the contraction)cut and dried, so to speak. On the "bacon" issue, if we use the word as most other speakers of English do, he's also right but VLM seems to have issues other than language in mind so the issue, as opposed to the bacon, is less cut and dried.
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I'm not defining bacon as being from a certain place. What I am saying is what we mean when we talk about bacon is not, in fact, motherfucking Roman "bacon". It is a salt and sugar cured smoked pork belly that is Southern in origin. I brought you in because this is Semiotics and that is your thing.
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Assuming that using sugar in the curing process of bacon was in fact invented in the Southeastern US, this, as I said, adds a special property but that addition only justifies the claim as an hyperbole. The normal meaning of bacon does not specify that sugar be used in the curing (or for that matter, that it be made from pork belly, but that's another argument). What you are saying comes down to first the historical claim that salt and sugar cured bacon originates in the South and second that is the best bacon made and so, to your lights, the only one worth being called bacon. It's fine with me if you think that (I actually have a fondness both for lardon and for pancetta) but it doesn't justify a claim that bacon comes only from there.
 
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
What about Canadian bacon?

Who invented eggs benedict?

This is a red-hot issue for the Mimosa set.
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Thanks to Al Gore, there's something called Google, where all your answers, hopes and dreams may be found.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
originally posted by Sharon Bowman:
What about Canadian bacon?

Who invented eggs benedict?

This is a red-hot issue for the Mimosa set.
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Thanks to Al Gore, there's something called Google, where all your answers, hopes and dreams may be found.
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Alas, google only informs you of an old and pointless controversy among various NY snoots and stockbrokers.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
Assuming that using sugar in the curing process of bacon was in fact invented in the Southeastern US, this, as I said, adds a special property but that addition only justifies the claim as an hyperbole.
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Hmm, that's two incidences of "an hyperbole" in this thread, so it can't be a typo; shouldn't it be "a hyperbole"? Its intriguing me...
 
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