TN: A few wines at Paul's baconpalooza

originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Thank you, professor. Let's also not forget that the monkey was incorrect about the origin of blt's. I'm going to savor this clean sweep.
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the blt's what?

oh, you mean plural, not possessive - perhaps BLTs works better?
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This detail came up once in another discussion. Some use the apostrophe after abbreviations and numerals, in its contraction-signifying capacity, to show that letters were left out. Not sure this entirely logical. Perhaps Jonathan knows the pertinent rule.
 
originally posted by Ian Fitzsimmons:
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Thank you, professor. Let's also not forget that the monkey was incorrect about the origin of blt's. I'm going to savor this clean sweep.
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the blt's what?

oh, you mean plural, not possessive - perhaps BLTs works better?
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This detail came up once in another discussion. Some use the apostrophe after abbreviations and numerals, in its contraction-signifying capacity, to show that letters were left out. Not sure this entirely logical. Perhaps Jonathan knows the pertinent rule.
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Actually, all I know about apostrophes after numbers with regard to contractions is that the answer varies with the style sheet of the journal in question. Now, mostly they don't like them, but whether this is in response to a rule, arbitrary or not, is beyond me. With the exception of the possessive "its," I thought apostrophes were always used with possessives, but there are exceptions I no doubt didn't think of.

And while I'm on such minutia, I'll return to Oswaldo's question about "an hyperbole." Although the general rule is "an" before consonants and "a" before vowels, this is a sound rule rather than a letter rule. Thus "a European," but "an hour," because the "h" is silent. Snooty Brits have long felt that words beginning with h and a weakly accented first syllable, because an aspirant is hardly a consonant in that case, should also take "an." Thus "an hotel," "an historian," "an hyperbole," but not "an hellishly pointless rule." When I was too young to know better, I modeled my style on snooty Brits and now it's too late for me.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
With the exception of the possessive "its," I thought apostrophes were always used with possessives, but there are exceptions I no doubt didn't think of.
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Yours, theirs... etc.
 
One bonus of writing in German is that there are no possessive apostrophes. Of course, there are disadvantages, too. Perhaps we should get back to debating bacon.
 
originally posted by Jonathan Loesberg:
It's time to wrap this up and not worry about more scholarship and/or theory of meaning and mind. Nathan's Elvis reference tells us what he has meant all along, which is that he thinks that the bacon made in the South is the authentic version of a kind that has been disseminated and lost character all over the US. He can't get from this back to his original claim. But this is claim enough if made in this limited way. I don't know whether it's true, but the deep history of bacon in European countries won't deal with this kind of cultural nostalgia for that first bite of madeleine and sip of tea.
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You're mixing my messages. The way I feel about NYers fetishizing Southern food is the way black folks feel about Elvis. It's separate from the bacon discussion.

I think that if you took 1000 people and put Roman salt pork next to bacon, and as asked them which was bacon or if both were, almost every one would say that bacon is bacon and they didn't know what the fuck Roman salt pork was. That is, when people say bacon, the mean motherfucking bacon.

This is my response to Kane's bullshit Roman bacon thing. What the fuck are Jews doing eating bacon anyway?

I have to say I feel much the same way about bagels made outside of NY and particularly and especially about jalapeno pepper bagels and other such monstrosities. Unlike Nathan, however, I'm unable to get worked up if you like them from elsewhere and with odd additives.
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I like jalapeno bagels. Or salt bagels with jalapeno cream cheese.
 
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Where are your sources that the kind of bacon you're talking about originated in the south, Nathan? I mean, aside from salt, bacon has been smoked in Europe far longer than in the US south and Europe has also had sugar a lot longer than we have.
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Wikipedia. But like the t-test, I don't have to cite Student since it is public domain.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Brad Kane:
Where are your sources that the kind of bacon you're talking about originated in the south, Nathan? I mean, aside from salt, bacon has been smoked in Europe far longer than in the US south and Europe has also had sugar a lot longer than we have.
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Wikipedia. But like the t-test, I don't have to cite Student since it is public domain.
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Nathan-

You're original comment suggested that bacon and blt's was something that originated in the South. That's simply not true.

Using wikipedia, the first paragraph of the bacon article defines bacon as "Bacon is a cured meat prepared from a pig. It is first cured using large quantities of salt, either in a brine or in a dry packing; the result is fresh bacon (also known as green bacon). Fresh bacon may then be further dried for weeks or months in cold air, boiled, or smoked. "

You then qualified your remark saying you meant American style bacon. Well, this is what the wikipedia article says about American style bacon, "American bacons include varieties smoked with hickory or corncobs and flavorings such as red pepper, molasses, and occasionally cinnamon. They vary in sweetness and saltiness and come from the Ozarks, New England and from the upper South (mainly Kentucky, North Carolina, Tennessee and Virginia)."

Last I checked, New England isn't in the south. So, again, where's your proof that your backtracked statement, that you were talking about American style bacon, originated in the South? They certainly had it up North during colonial times.

Additionally, if you or Jim can provide any counter proof to the generally accepted theory that BLT's descend from Victorian era tea sandwiches, let's see it. I mean, you two good 'ol boys were the ones that called bullshit on the whole thing.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Brad Kane:

You're original comment suggested that bacon and blt's was something
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Your just doing this to fuck with Loesberg, aren't you?
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Kane knows all, he'll soon be celebrating a historical event when his great uncle Irving said "don't worry it can't sink" this just moments after the Titanic hit that iceberg.
I'll have to ask Brad if he predicted the problems in Vermont or is that an illusion featured on Fox news?
Bacon was kosherized at a special conference called at the Vatican. People shouldn't worry.
 
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
Correcto
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
Kane knows all, he'll soon be celebrating a historical event
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Excuse me, that's an historical event
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Do you realize that SF Joe has the monopoly on spelling and grammatical errors? He revels in that duty and rightfully so as to maintain a proper literary foundation on this site.
 
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Lou Kessler:
Kane knows all, he'll soon be celebrating a historical event
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Excuse me, that's an historical event
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"... an was formerly used before an unaccented syllable beginning with h and is still often seen and heard (an historian, an hotel, an hysterical scene, an hereditary title, an habitual offender). But now that the h in such words is pronounced, the distinction has become anomalous and will no doubt disappear in time."

Henry Fowler
Dictionary of Modern English Usage
 
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