Great company, meh wines

VLM

VLM
I posted on M-G Chaignots recently and I feel the same way about 2004 Clos Rougeard. I took the 2004 Bourg for a spin last night since I haven't tasted it in eons.

Sophie was down from NY under somewhat tragic circumstances, but I did my best to feed her well and drown her sorrows.

We started with Billecart-Salmon Rose, which I haven't tried in a while. It was mostly boring, but it was a warm night, and it was cold and it was a gift, so no need to be overly critical or complain.

We moved to a fantastic bottle of 1999 Knoll Riesling Schutt with a piercing, pungent fantastic nose. I think this wine is ready to go. Given my disappointing recent experience with 1999s (corked or prematurely faded) it was nice to have one of my favorite wines, and I think one of the world's great wines, show well.

When I initially opened the 2004 Clos Rougeard Bourg it was luscious and generously fruited. Really substantial and velvety in the mouth. A few hours later it had gained complexity in the nose and in the mouth, but it had also stretched out and released some structure. As the night wore on It started to close back in on itself. Not a great showing, but showed enough of what is to come to leave me excited by the prospects.

We got involved with some sherry, because, why not? I've had really mixed experience with Equipo Navazos La Bota de Manzanilla Pasada Nº 10 and this was a better bottle than some, but not the thrill ride of the first bottle from this batch. I'm not really sure I get the fuss about these wines. I've only had 4 or so, and purchased a case of the 10 and half a case of the 18 based on how much Peter and Levi, both of whom know a lot more than I do about sherry, have raved. I also did not expect so much bottle variation from sherry. Should I have?

A Lustau Palo Cortado really didn't do anything for me that Palo Cortado should and generally does from top houses. Just sort of meh.

Following on the theme, a bottle of 2009 Do Ferreiro Albariño Cepas Vellas didn't acquit itself with its normal high standards. It was just sort of boring.

That can't be said for a bottle of 2009 Domaine de Souch Jurançon Sec which was electric razor wire. I don't know what will become of this wine if it ever mellows. It's the most intense wine I've had in years. Really just rips your face off. Brisk, punishing and thrilling. Good with Export A cigarettes.

Anyway, mostly the wine was boring, but my evening was stellar. I guess I'm becoming more like Cowan every day (and he's becoming more monkey-like). Fuck wine, company trumps everything and there isn't much better company than Miss Sophie B.
 
Very sorry to hear that all is not perfection for Miss Sophie B.

Those are some pretty good wines, and I'm also sorry to hear of several not showing well. Perhaps it was the weather? Or it was a Bacon Day only in a Roman calendar?

Totally agree on the '99 Schutt. I still have a chunk of those, and I bet my source was the same as yours, so I'm glad you had a good one.

I'm a monster fan of the Equipo Navazos wines, though I am no Peter Liem nor Levi Dalton.
 
Wow, so strange about the Manzanilla Pasada 10, which has been a drop-anvil-on-foot crazy wild pleasure the three times I've had it.
 
The Ten is closed in on itself right now. Wait a year and check back in, or decant and serve in Burgundy glasses. There is a level of reduction that can mimic mute if you don't play with it.

Let's convince others not to like the wines. Allocations have become very tight.
 
Schutt; I am now of the opinion that there is no finer terroir in Austria as long as Knoll is the vintner.

My most recent taste of the Do Ferreiro, Cepas, have been underwhelming, regardless of vintage. OTOH, the Fillaboa, Monte Alto as overchieved every time I have tried it.
I wonder if it is a matter of expectations.

You have learned, grasshopper.
Best, Jim
 
Sophie B? And weren't you the rave-boy on Rougeard just a scant few years ago? W'happen? Mid-life crisis already?
Balance and friends are the best, in wines, in life.
 
To me, the Cepas Vellas is always tasty but not all that interesting on release, then a year or two in the bottle works magic. Not sure what happens with longer aging than that, but I intend to find out.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
To me, the Cepas Vellas is always tasty but not all that interesting on release, then a year or two in the bottle works magic. Not sure what happens with longer aging than that, but I intend to find out.
Pretty to think so.
Not my experience so far, but admittedly, I haven't the time in grade.
Best Jim
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
To me, the Cepas Vellas is always tasty but not all that interesting on release, then a year or two in the bottle works magic. Not sure what happens with longer aging than that, but I intend to find out.
Pretty to think so.
Not my experience so far, but admittedly, I haven't the time in grade.
Best Jim
 
Funny, the poor showing from the rougeard that is. recently ive had two other people, who's palates i generally trust, have awkward experiences with the 04 bourg. Maybe it's in a slump right now. I havent opened one personally in a few months but ive never had problems with this wine, it's always special and amazing. eh, must have been a low pressure, root day. lot's of geo-magnetism lately.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
2009 CV is a travesty right now.
Is this your true opinion on the CV or are you still in the mode of "the #10 is awful, no one should waste their money on this dreck"?

Sorry, I'm confused as usual.
 
originally posted by Marc D:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
2009 CV is a travesty right now.
Is this your true opinion on the CV or are you still in the mode of "the #10 is awful, no one should waste their money on this dreck"?

Sorry, I'm confused as usual.

I don't like how the CV is drinking right now. Honestly and truly. Fruit-itis, edges sticking out all gangly at the corners, and a general disharmony. I'm sure time will heal the wounds, but I actually don't at all see the point of drinking young CV. That is what the normal bottling is for.
 
originally posted by VLM:
Great company, meh winesI posted on M-G Chaignots recently and I feel the same way about 2004 Clos Rougeard. I took the 2004 Bourg for a spin last night since I haven't tasted it in eons.

When I initially opened the 2004 Clos Rougeard Bourg it was luscious and generously fruited. Really substantial and velvety in the mouth. A few hours later it had gained complexity in the nose and in the mouth, but it had also stretched out and released some structure. As the night wore on It started to close back in on itself. Not a great showing, but showed enough of what is to come to leave me excited by the prospects.
Eh? By your own account, what's not great about that 'showing'? So it shut down after airing out for a few hours, after being opened way too young in the first place. It was "luscious and generously fruited. Really substantial and velvety in the mouth. A few hours later it had gained complexity in the nose and in the mouth, but it had also stretched out and released some structure."

What would be a great showing from a wine that you would not expect to be showing anything in the first place? Are you just smitten with word "meh"?
 
originally posted by Jeff Connell:
originally posted by VLM:
Great company, meh winesI posted on M-G Chaignots recently and I feel the same way about 2004 Clos Rougeard. I took the 2004 Bourg for a spin last night since I haven't tasted it in eons.

When I initially opened the 2004 Clos Rougeard Bourg it was luscious and generously fruited. Really substantial and velvety in the mouth. A few hours later it had gained complexity in the nose and in the mouth, but it had also stretched out and released some structure. As the night wore on It started to close back in on itself. Not a great showing, but showed enough of what is to come to leave me excited by the prospects.

Eh? By your own account, what's not great about that 'showing'? So it shut down after airing out for a few hours, after being opened way too young in the first place. It was "luscious and generously fruited. Really substantial and velvety in the mouth. A few hours later it had gained complexity in the nose and in the mouth, but it had also stretched out and released some structure."

What would be a great showing from a wine that you would not expect to be showing anything in the first place? Are you just smitten with word "meh"?

Problems coming up with a title. But hey, 15 comments already.

The Bourg left "me excited by the prospects [sic]". The 2004 Clos is beautiful right now. The Bourg is a great wine in the making. I think that 2004 will be viewed differently in the contect of history than most view it now. The Foucault and Baudry wines from 2004 are truly exceptional, eh.
 
originally posted by Matteo Mollo:
Funny, the poor showing from the rougeard that is. recently ive had two other people, who's palates i generally trust, have awkward experiences with the 04 bourg. Maybe it's in a slump right now. I havent opened one personally in a few months but ive never had problems with this wine, it's always special and amazing. eh, must have been a low pressure, root day. lot's of geo-magnetism lately.

It's a great wine. If we had gone at it right after opening, we would have had a fantastic young Bourg experience with total assimilation.
 
originally posted by MarkS:
Sophie B? And weren't you the rave-boy on Rougeard just a scant few years ago? W'happen? Mid-life crisis already?
Balance and friends are the best, in wines, in life.

I still own more Rougeard than any other producer, so I haven't changed. Just reporting on recent experience.

I'm also opposed to waiting until wines get old and decrepit before drinking them. Life is for the living.
 
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