Great company, meh wines

originally posted by Levi Dalton:
The Ten is closed in on itself right now. Wait a year and check back in, or decant and serve in Burgundy glasses. There is a level of reduction that can mimic mute if you don't play with it.

Let's convince others not to like the wines. Allocations have become very tight.
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They aren't that hard to get, so I'm not worried just yet.

I'll try another bottle in a year with the proscribed methodology.

It's just very confusing how different the bottles have been. This isn't really something I have come to expect from sherry. Is it just the 10, or are others like this? The 18 is pretty consistent, although also a bit underwhelming. I've got a 17 in the queue that I'm pretty excited about.
 
I think that 2004 will be viewed differently in the contect of history than most view it now. The Foucault and Baudry wines from 2004 are truly exceptional, eh.
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I think you mean "eh?" Do most view 2004 differently from the growers themselves, who have been of the opinion all along that 2004 was a great, classic vintage? A vintage of balance and ripeness, and great depth of material, at least in their respective vineyards?
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
The Ten is closed in on itself right now. Wait a year and check back in, or decant and serve in Burgundy glasses. There is a level of reduction that can mimic mute if you don't play with it.

Let's convince others not to like the wines. Allocations have become very tight.
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They aren't that hard to get, so I'm not worried just yet.

I'll try another bottle in a year with the proscribed methodology.

It's just very confusing how different the bottles have been. This isn't really something I have come to expect from sherry. Is it just the 10, or are others like this? The 18 is pretty consistent, although also a bit underwhelming. I've got a 17 in the queue that I'm pretty excited about.
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Certainly they are limited in New York.

I'm sort of wondering as I watch you approach these wines like they aren't wines, but rather something called "sherry" beverage that is supposed to be as consistent as orange juice.

Have you been drinking a lot of other unfiltered sherry? That might account for a bit of the difference.

If you don't like the wines, you don't like the wines. No skin off my nose. If you are raising objections to the wines because it puts you in this cooler than thou, other people think it's cool but I don't corner, than that is something else, and it wouldn't have much to do with the wines in question.

Either way, whatever is clever homie. If you are "over" wine, like you have said you are, maybe you have a hard time being excited about bottles coming your way at the moment. Hard to know from here.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
To me, the Cepas Vellas is always tasty but not all that interesting on release, then a year or two in the bottle works magic. Not sure what happens with longer aging than that, but I intend to find out.
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Not much unfortunately. Manuel opened an older one a year ago that was not nearly as good as on release.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
To me, the Cepas Vellas is always tasty but not all that interesting on release, then a year or two in the bottle works magic. Not sure what happens with longer aging than that, but I intend to find out.
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Not much unfortunately. Manuel opened an older one a year ago that was not nearly as good as on release.
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Damn! There goes my cellar strategy...
 
originally posted by Jeff Connell:
I think that 2004 will be viewed differently in the contect of history than most view it now. The Foucault and Baudry wines from 2004 are truly exceptional, eh.
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I think you mean "eh?" Do most view 2004 differently from the growers themselves, who have been of the opinion all along that 2004 was a great, classic vintage? A vintage of balance and ripeness, and great depth of material, at least in their respective vineyards?
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2004 was lost in the shuffle even on release with everyone awaiting 2005. I always thought this was a mistake since the 2004s seemed to be more classically balanced to me. I think he 2005s from Rougeard will be epic wines, but if you drink the Croix Boissée, I think the 2004 is clearly superior.

I think we were in the Loire together comparing these two vintages and it was fairly common for vigneron to describe 2005 as exceptional. By that, they meant it was very out of the ordinary. Many thought it could be great, but didn't really know since the combination of alcohol, tannin, and ripeness without a hot vintage, like 2003, didn't have an easy comparison. 2004 was "classique".

Yeah, I probably mean "eh", but I was just looking to bump my numbers, hence the controversy.

So, would you agree with this assessment even if you deplore the fact that I drink these wines way to young for your tastes?
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
The Ten is closed in on itself right now. Wait a year and check back in, or decant and serve in Burgundy glasses. There is a level of reduction that can mimic mute if you don't play with it.

Let's convince others not to like the wines. Allocations have become very tight.
Click to expand...

They aren't that hard to get, so I'm not worried just yet.

I'll try another bottle in a year with the proscribed methodology.

It's just very confusing how different the bottles have been. This isn't really something I have come to expect from sherry. Is it just the 10, or are others like this? The 18 is pretty consistent, although also a bit underwhelming. I've got a 17 in the queue that I'm pretty excited about.
Click to expand...

Certainly they are limited in New York.

I'm sort of wondering as I watch you approach these wines like they aren't wines, but rather something called "sherry" beverage that is supposed to be as consistent as orange juice.
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Well, I don't expect it to be as consistent as mass product and I'm not certain it is wine.

Have you been drinking a lot of other unfiltered sherry? That might account for a bit of the difference.
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Good question. I drink mostly from André's stable of producers. I wasn't under the impression that Maestro Sierra filter a ton, which is what I drink the most of (but I pretty much drink through all his producers).

If you don't like the wines, you don't like the wines. No skin off my nose. If you are raising objections to the wines because it puts you in this cooler than thou, other people think it's cool but I don't corner, than that is something else, and it wouldn't have much to do with the wines in question.
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I think that my expectations were maybe too high. Despite our past differences, I pay attention to what you have to say about wine and Peter too. When you two are really into something it makes me curious.

Besides, wouldn't it be cooler to be bowled over by it? I can't keep track. I'm a 40 year old academic living in a little cow town. I think coolness is done for me.

Either way, whatever is clever homie. If you are "over" wine, like you have said you are, maybe you have a hard time being excited about bottles coming your way at the moment. Hard to know from here.
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This has been really hard for me. And a huge bummer. Wine has played such an important part in my life since I was a teenager. Maybe it is a midlife crisis or something else, but I'm having a hard time really loving bottles of wine these days. But this isn't wine therapy, it's wine disorder, so I guess I should just go fuck myself.
 
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
To me, the Cepas Vellas is always tasty but not all that interesting on release, then a year or two in the bottle works magic. Not sure what happens with longer aging than that, but I intend to find out.
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Not much unfortunately. Manuel opened an older one a year ago that was not nearly as good as on release.
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It depends a lot on the vintage, IME.
 
I have had 2 in the past couple months and thought both to be beautiful. And for me (I suspect Nathan will disagree), i think it is 5-7 years away from where I will begin to find them beginning to be truly "ready".
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Weirdly, I tried a taste of the 09 CV tonight and I really liked it. So there you go.
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I was a fan of it that night at GS E.55th back in the early spring, but that was my first and only experience with it. Thought it was very succesful with the food.
 
re '09 CV - my one bottle of it was disappointing in the context of other vintages though still very good. Of course I don't know how '09 was as an Albarino vintage.
 
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Weirdly, I tried a taste of the 09 CV tonight and I really liked it. So there you go.
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I was a fan of it that night at GS E.55th back in the early spring, but that was my first and only experience with it. Thought it was very succesful with the food.
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Ahh, right.

Memory is the first to go, you know. I'm almost 35 years of age at this point.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by kirk wallace:
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Weirdly, I tried a taste of the 09 CV tonight and I really liked it. So there you go.
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I was a fan of it that night at GS E.55th back in the early spring, but that was my first and only experience with it. Thought it was very succesful with the food.
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Ahh, right.

Memory is the first to go, you know. I'm almost 35 years of age at this point.
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The horror. The horror.
 
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