Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
This kind of plutotropic discrimination deserves its own "occupy the winery" movement.
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- Thread starter Marc D
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This kind of plutotropic discrimination deserves its own "occupy the winery" movement.
originally posted by SFJoe:
East coast/west coast issue I often see.originally posted by Josh Beck:
08 lapierre morgon was bretty last summer, an 'S' bottle from a restaurant, for what it's worth.
I try to drink lapierre young due to the high number of bottles that seem to show Brett.
Of course, the statistics are stronger now that Crossroads is closed.
Ours must be picking up that damn brett somewhere in the midwest...
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
originally posted by Marc D:
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Ian, the Bregeon 02 reserve had extended time on lees, but I am not sure if it is the same bottling as the one labelled Gorge or Gorgeois. That is a good question. Also it reminds me I have to order some of that 04 Gorgeois.
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I have a dim memory of reading somewhere that has Bregeon applied different names to its extended-lees bottling at different times. The 04 is on my shopping list now.
originally posted by BJ:
I would suspect that larger format bottles come from the top foudres in the cellar and may be different than the 750s. I think the Seattle gang needs to research this question at our next gathering.
It has been painful to pass my 09 Lapierre mag/3L stash and wonder what lurks within...
Do you have evidence that large formats are bottled preferentially from foudres selected for best quality, or are you thinking wishfully? I read an article many years ago in Revue du Vin where the then 'best sommelier in the world' described this practice, and I've wondered since how wide-spread it is.
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
The fuckers, for some reason I always think of them as bacteria, not yeasts.
Due respect for the wee beasties. Well, maybe not brettanomyces.
I do not import Lapierre into my market.
Disclaimer out of the way, they do have a large settling and blending tank for the wines. I don't know about super large formats, but my understanding is that magnums were bottled at the same time as smaller sizes. Some trade samples are hand-bottled earlier. It's always very instructive to taste and visit there.
I do import Bregeon into my market.
The 2004 is very good - it's from the final cuve of that vintage, and although Michel mused about letting sit some more, we all thought it was great back in February. In some ways it's less likeable than its 2002 and 2005 siblings, showing less flesh, and less swagger (I always think of his wines as swaggering types), but for those tuned to Muscadet fequencies, it's more obviously impressive - the texture is undoubtedly finer, and the acid backbone beautifully exposed, as if the flesh was crystalline-translucent. It's a very difficult wine for us to sell in the local market, because we're tempted to keep all of our allocation for ourselves. My word of advice would be to give the earlier-bottled wines the same amount of time before opening as well - they age differently, but are no less compelling with time. The 2009 is but a baby, and the 2010 shows just as much, if not more, promise. For introductions to Michel, we are indebted to Marc Ollivier and Guy Bossard.
Disclaimer out of the way, they do have a large settling and blending tank for the wines. I don't know about super large formats, but my understanding is that magnums were bottled at the same time as smaller sizes. Some trade samples are hand-bottled earlier. It's always very instructive to taste and visit there.
I do import Bregeon into my market.
The 2004 is very good - it's from the final cuve of that vintage, and although Michel mused about letting sit some more, we all thought it was great back in February. In some ways it's less likeable than its 2002 and 2005 siblings, showing less flesh, and less swagger (I always think of his wines as swaggering types), but for those tuned to Muscadet fequencies, it's more obviously impressive - the texture is undoubtedly finer, and the acid backbone beautifully exposed, as if the flesh was crystalline-translucent. It's a very difficult wine for us to sell in the local market, because we're tempted to keep all of our allocation for ourselves. My word of advice would be to give the earlier-bottled wines the same amount of time before opening as well - they age differently, but are no less compelling with time. The 2009 is but a baby, and the 2010 shows just as much, if not more, promise. For introductions to Michel, we are indebted to Marc Ollivier and Guy Bossard.
You know, I'm re reading my post and realizing I'm full of crap. Lapierre and nearly everyone else in Beaujolais ages in barrel, so yeah they're blended cuvees, tho I'm always curious how many cuvees you end up with in any given vintage...I think often several, even if they're not separately labeled. The foudre by foudre thing is more of a southern deal. And there it happens all the time.
Ian Fitzsimmons
Ian Fitzsimmons
The 04 Bregeon I tasted was beautifully lithe and polished, in a good way, for a muscadet. The 09 regular botting has seemed a bit burly on opening, but sheds some swagger and becomes rather scintillating with extended air time.
With several really good muscadet producers on sale stateside now, wine from this region is seriously beginning to crowd out my purchases of other whites.
Thanks for mentioning the 2010.
With several really good muscadet producers on sale stateside now, wine from this region is seriously beginning to crowd out my purchases of other whites.
Thanks for mentioning the 2010.
I went quite long that wine.originally posted by Yixin:
....Bregeon...
The 2004 is very good...
originally posted by SFJoe:
I went quite long that wine.originally posted by Yixin:
....Bregeon...
The 2004 is very good...
As did almost everyone I know. What a terroir.
And also the whole artist-fading-into-the-sunset thing.originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I went quite long that wine.originally posted by Yixin:
....Bregeon...
The 2004 is very good...
As did almost everyone I know. What a terroir.
originally posted by SFJoe:
And also the whole artist-fading-into-the-sunset thing.originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I went quite long that wine.originally posted by Yixin:
....Bregeon...
The 2004 is very good...
As did almost everyone I know. What a terroir.
Hey his shtick is as good as anyone else's.
Oh, at least.originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by SFJoe:
And also the whole artist-fading-into-the-sunset thing.originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by SFJoe:
I went quite long that wine.originally posted by Yixin:
....Bregeon...
The 2004 is very good...
As did almost everyone I know. What a terroir.
Hey his shtick is as good as anyone else's.