Ogier Cote Rotie '94 w/Porterhouse Steak, etc.

[Peter Creasey]

Michel & Stéphane Ogier Côte-Rôtie '94 -- Solid red, goodly amount of sediment, classic Ampuis spicy aromas, smoke, berry fruits, pleasing on palate, berries, bacon fat, holding together nicely, medium complex, customary elegance. [E]

Served with Grilled Porterhouse Steak, Stuffed Squash Blossoms, and Collard Greens...

The grilled burgers turned out well also (for future enjoyment)...

Thumbnail photos are clickable for enlargements...

. . . . . Pete

 

[BJ]

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[Peter Creasey]

Rule? R-U-L-E? On WD??

(Please tell me publicly or via email what rule I unknowingly "obeyed".)

. . . . . . Pete

P.S. I didn't know WD had rules, but I'm all ears!!

 

[BJ]

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[Tom Glasgow]

BJ's own 15 year rule on Northern Rhone wines.

 

[SFJoe]

originally posted by Peter Creasey:
classic Ampuis spicy aromas, smoke

Is that euphemism for too much new wood?

I don't think of them as having gone so wrong until '98 or so.

 

[Peter Creasey]

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by Peter Creasey: classic Ampuis spicy aromas, smoke

Is that euphemism for too much new wood?
I don't think of them as having gone so wrong until '98 or so.

Joe, No, I'm probably fairly euphemistically challenged...I tend to call a spade a spade.

Wood didn't occur to me in this Ogier CR bottling. The showing of this wine seemed considerably better than might be expected from the '94 vintage. Alas, I only have one more bottle.

And, yes, my purchasing of Ogier has dropped off dramatically in more recent vintages.

. . . . . . . Pete

 

[Peter Creasey]

originally posted by BJ: http://winedisorder.com/comment/56/3297/ ... Remember, ye people, the rule of fifteen, with regards to good Northern Rhones.

B, Ah so! Not a bad guideline! And the sampling of this '94 lends even more credence to your "rule".

. . . . . . . Pete

 

[Jeff Grossman]

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

originally posted by SFJoe:

originally posted by Peter Creasey: classic Ampuis spicy aromas, smoke

Is that euphemism for too much new wood?
I don't think of them as having gone so wrong until '98 or so.

Joe, No, I'm probably fairly euphemistically challenged...I tend to call a spade a spade.

Wood didn't occur to me in this Ogier CR bottling. The showing of this wine seemed considerably better than might be expected from the '94 vintage. Alas, I only have one more bottle.

Can you what "Ampuis" tastes like?

 

[Peter Creasey]

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[Peter Creasey]

originally posted by Jeff Grossman: Can you what "Ampuis" tastes like?

Jeff, My comment about this Cote Rotie having "classic Ampuis spicy aromas" was a reference to the flavors I commonly find when tasting wines from this commune.

To my atrophied nose/palate, these flavors might include, but not be limited to, bacon fat, fresh herbs, spices, garrigue, etc.

. . . . . . . Pete

 

[Rahsaan]

originally posted by Peter Creasey:

originally posted by Jeff Grossman: Can you what "Ampuis" tastes like?

Jeff, My comment about this Cote Rotie having "classic Ampuis spicy aromas" was a reference to the flavors I commonly find when tasting wines from this commune.

To my atrophied nose/palate, these flavors might include, but not be limited to, bacon fat, fresh herbs, spices, garrigue, etc.

. . . . . . . Pete

I think the garrigue doesn't start until further south, but the rest of the descriptors can be applied to lots of northern Rhone syrah outside of Ampuis as well, no?

 

[SFJoe]

The prominent presence of Guigal in Ampuis made me think it was Pete's code for NFO.

 

[Peter Creasey]

originally posted by SFJoe: The prominent presence of Guigal in Ampuis made me think it was Pete's code for NFO.

Joe, After having worked with NASA programs, I got burnt out on abbreviations/acronyms. As a result, I try to avoid using them.

Thus, I often don't pick up on their meanings. Such is the case with "NFO"? I can't figure out what this might mean.

. . . . . . Pete

 

[SFJoe]

New French Oak.

 

[Peter Creasey]

originally posted by SFJoe: New French Oak.

Joe, Thanks!

That's tidier than I thought it might be.

In your view, is Ogier (and presumably from comments made, Guigal??) the main producer falling into this trap? What about Jamet, Jasmine, etal?

. . . . . . . Pete

 

[Larry Stein]

I tasted the '94 with Mr. DHP on a couple of occasions. Joe, you're correct, Ogier wasn't into the new oak regimen then. Michel was still in charge.

Sure wish I had '94s from the right producers in my cellar. A criminally underrated vintage for Cote Rotie.

 

[BJ]

originally posted by SFJoe:
New French Oak.

I thought it was New Fucking Oak.

 

[Ian Fitzsimmons]

That would be FNO. What's the rule for white Hermitage, by the way?

 

[BJ]

Fifteen.