some great bottles and one terribly closed, horribly misunderstood trainwreck

Josh Beck

Josh Beck
Some recent highlights:

04 Agrapart Mineral was all sorts of awesome. Moderately rich style. Very stoney, very penetrating. Not fruit driven, more terroir and a bit of biscuit and yeast driven. Good concentration and a lot of power and a long finish. A bit stylized but very very good. More in the vein of a Vilmart / Bouchard. For my tastes, about as good as $50 Champagne gets.

1991 Mt Eden Chardonnay was excellent. Beautiful, integrated, effortless wine. Concentrated with rainwater, hints of lemon, toasted nuts, wet rock and some waxy characters. Probably won't improve and offers a lot of joy now.

06 A Conterno Romirasco was everything you could ask for in Barolo and one of the single best young nebbiolo wines I've had. Tremendous power, tremendous complexity but lithe and focused and detailed with great clarity.

06 Nicolas Potel Clos Saint Denis was similarly awesome but in a more enchanting and less powerful way. Tremendously spicy and floral and stoney, very pure pretty fruit, and thankfully no brett.

99 Billecart BdB GC was tremendous. I really like this wine and this is another winner. While I drink and love a lot of grower champagne, this is also a great bottle. Sparked a discussion of whether this or the 06 Haut L'emblee was better... the discussion still is unsettled.

There have been other good to great bottles lately - 01 CFE, 10 Pepiere Briords, 00 Conterno Colonello, 04 Cavallotto Vignolo were all excellent as well, but the above have really stood out.

And then one of the worst wines I've ever had. Clearly just a closed wine, and a bad bottle of it to boot, and something that no one who tasted it understood:

09 Ganevat l'enfant terrible was terrible indeed. Quite reduced on opening, tremendously bretty, going off in bottle with prominent carbonation, tasted of bretty cherry cola with a pickle garnish. This was really a trainwreck...
 
originally posted by Josh Beck: some great bottles and one terribly closed, horribly misunderstood trainwreck09 Ganevat l'enfant terrible

Josh, I love enfants, as a rule; however, I am aware that this bottling has been hugely controversial with people loving or hating it...and maybe some in the middle.

Judging by the reviews, I would surely remember if I had had it.

I wonder what the story is on this wine.

. . . . . Pete
 
originally posted by Rahsaan:
originally posted by Josh Beck:
06 Nicolas Potel Clos Saint Denis thankfully no brett.

Has brett been a problem for you with Potel?

It has. I've had some great Potels but it seems so random so I've gotten gun shy with further purchases and am drinking what I've got. I don't know much about Potel behind the curtains in terms of sources, cellar practices, why some lots are clean and others aren't, etc. However you slice it, though, this one was certainly a winner.
 
originally posted by Josh Beck:

And then one of the worst wines I've ever had. Clearly just a closed wine, and a bad bottle of it to boot, and something that no one who tasted it understood:

09 Ganevat l'enfant terrible was terrible indeed. Quite reduced on opening, tremendously bretty, going off in bottle with prominent carbonation, tasted of bretty cherry cola with a pickle garnish. This was really a trainwreck...

I had some good bottles of this early on, but to my extreme regret recent bottles have all matched your description.
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Josh Beck:

And then one of the worst wines I've ever had. Clearly just a closed wine, and a bad bottle of it to boot, and something that no one who tasted it understood:

09 Ganevat l'enfant terrible was terrible indeed. Quite reduced on opening, tremendously bretty, going off in bottle with prominent carbonation, tasted of bretty cherry cola with a pickle garnish. This was really a trainwreck...

I had some good bottles of this early on, but to my extreme regret recent bottles have all matched your description.

I never got to taste the '09 l'ET; have laid claim to some '10, and maybe the lesson is to drink them quickly. Anybody tasted the '09 J'en Veux lately?
 
originally posted by kirk wallace:
Anybody tasted the '09 J'en Veux lately?
Was just talking about it this weekend. Had a bottle a month or two ago. It was amazing to say the least. Mind=Blown. One of my favorite wines I've had this year. Pure pleasure.
 
originally posted by lars makie:
originally posted by kirk wallace:
Anybody tasted the '09 J'en Veux lately?
Was just talking about it this weekend. Had a bottle a month or two ago. It was amazing to say the least. Mind=Blown. One of my favorite wines I've had this year. Pure pleasure.

Glad to hear that; that has been my experience as well, but haven't had one since August. Maybe tonight ....
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Josh Beck:

And then one of the worst wines I've ever had. Clearly just a closed wine, and a bad bottle of it to boot, and something that no one who tasted it understood:

09 Ganevat l'enfant terrible was terrible indeed. Quite reduced on opening, tremendously bretty, going off in bottle with prominent carbonation, tasted of bretty cherry cola with a pickle garnish. This was really a trainwreck...

I had some good bottles of this early on, but to my extreme regret recent bottles have all matched your description.

I've got one bottle of this and from your two descriptions I'm almost afraid to open it.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by SFJoe:

I had some good bottles of this early on, but to my extreme regret recent bottles have all matched your description.

Isn't that the one we had out in Red Hook this summer? That bottle was beautiful, whatever it was.
 
Bubbles being present doesn't usually mean "going off in bottle". It usually means there was minimal racking, which also accounts for the reduction. Double decanting might be helpful.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
Bubbles being present doesn't usually mean "going off in bottle". It usually means there was minimal racking, which also accounts for the reduction. Double decanting might be helpful.

SFJoe has earlier warned of refermentation in the bottle and I am relatively secure in the feeling that he knows how to distinguish refermentation from petillance.

Mark Lipton
 
Funny, I just opened a bottle of the Ganevat tonight; my only one. It had a ton of carbonation, matched Josh's description. I had guessed before I read this thread that the bottle had refermented somewhere before I got it. But I'm not nearly so confident in my abilities, so I double decanted, and stuck it back in the wine fridge to see what happens tomorrow.
 
I am but a novice apprentice compared to SFJoe, he who knows much more than I about the art of the double decant. But I did organize, with SFJoe's great assistance, pretty much the most comprehensive Ganevat dinner that has been done stateside, and I'm writing in from a hospital bed to tell you what I think. This is a common phenomenon, and I suggest a double decant for Ganevat reds.
 
originally posted by Cliff:
originally posted by SFJoe:

I had some good bottles of this early on, but to my extreme regret recent bottles have all matched your description.

Isn't that the one we had out in Red Hook this summer? That bottle was beautiful, whatever it was.

Nope. That was the J'en Veux.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
I am but a novice apprentice compared to SFJoe, he who knows much more than I about the art of the double decant. But I did organize, with SFJoe's great assistance, pretty much the most comprehensive Ganevat dinner that has been done stateside, and I'm writing in from a hospital bed to tell you what I think. This is a common phenomenon, and I suggest a double decant for Ganevat reds.

Fair enough, Levi, and my wishes for a speedy recuperation from whatever ails you. I'll keep an open mind about my lone bottle until I open it up, then give it the prescribed double decant.

Mark Lipton
 
originally posted by lars makie:
originally posted by kirk wallace:
Anybody tasted the '09 J'en Veux lately?
Was just talking about it this weekend. Had a bottle a month or two ago. It was amazing to say the least. Mind=Blown. One of my favorite wines I've had this year. Pure pleasure.
Tonight's bottle is somewhat more acidic, fruit less apparent, particularly for the first 20 minutes or so. Opens up nicely for the next 2 hours. More dried herb and cranberry than I recall from prior bottles, but some cherries and green plums coming out, and a great juicy, long finish. And still plenty of joy. And balance. But I don't doubt Cory. I might keep a bottle or two just to see what they do, but i'll try to drink up the rest of the case sooner rather than later.
 
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