gouges

It's winemaking rather than terroir.
Slick stuff is beautiful, but can also be distracting if that's not your endgame.
Gouges, Gaunoux, CdB are old-fashioned and can be thought of as stubborn or as transparent, depending.
 
Anonymous lurkers write to reprove me for amnesia.

Seems I have had a couple of good wines, and once the record was read back to me, I did recall enjoying '98 Vaucrains.

Nonetheless, if they want to make wines that are a bit easier, I have no complaints.
 
98 Vaucrains is cyclical, in fact I now wonder if many 98s are.
Yes, it was glorious at one point, but you may recall a more recent unanimous "Barolo" guess. Or was it just Zul, and no one would dare dissent ?
 
the 99 lsg is one of the greatest 99s I've had the privilege to drink (of course, I've not had any 1999 DRC ...).
 
originally posted by SFJoe:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:

"A similar sentiment was echoed at Domaine Gouges (below). Traditionally the Gouges “house style” has been one of austere tannins and long cellaring times. In agreement with his father and uncle, Gregoire has slowly changed the approach to using oak, temperature control (to extract the juice softly) and has an even stricter selection in the vineyard."
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Depressing.
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All of it?

Have you had a lot of Gouges wines in the old style that you've loved?

I totally admit to trying them all too young, but I've never had a convincing wine from them despite the announcements every 3 or 4 years that "Gouges is back!"[/quote]I dig the older wines quite a bit. I've had them with someone you know whose pulled some sublime bottles for me, and with another friend who has an extensive cellar. I dig them, a lot of people don't but the wines are unmistakeably Gouges, and I hate to see them change the house style to suit people who never liked the wines in the first place.
 
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
I dig the older wines quite a bit. I've had them with someone you know whose pulled some sublime bottles for me, and with another friend who has an extensive cellar. I dig them, a lot of people don't but the wines are unmistakeably Gouges, and I hate to see them change the house style to suit people who never liked the wines in the first place.
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i agree. i hope that the newer style does not erase the texture that i love so much in the aged wines of gouges.

a few people i know, but not necessarily trust, have complained that the 08 gouges nsg village is simply acid and texture, no fruit. i have not tried it yet, but i assume that the wine is simply too young, for there are many 08s that i enjoy immensely, primarily for their future potential.
 
originally posted by scottreiner:
originally posted by Cory Cartwright:
I dig the older wines quite a bit. I've had them with someone you know whose pulled some sublime bottles for me, and with another friend who has an extensive cellar. I dig them, a lot of people don't but the wines are unmistakeably Gouges, and I hate to see them change the house style to suit people who never liked the wines in the first place.
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i agree. i hope that the newer style does not erase the texture that i love so much in the aged wines of gouges.

a few people i know, but not necessarily trust, have complained that the 08 gouges nsg village is simply acid and texture, no fruit. i have not tried it yet, but i assume that the wine is simply too young, for there are many 08s that i enjoy immensely, primarily for their future potential.
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while I haven't had any 2008 Gouges there have been some usually good Bourgognes which have displayed that profile for me in 2008. While I love the vintage as a generalization there can be some issues here and there on the lower end.
 
I read from John Gilman that they now move wines by gravity rather than by pump.
 
i offer thanks to the gods of global warming for making me a disinterested observer in this thread.

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originally posted by .sasha:
I read from John Gilman that they now move wines by gravity rather than by pump.
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This is correct. And as Christian told me in 2008 when I first visited, the pump, by breaking the skins of the berries, was the main culprit of the so famous Gouges tannins. And I was told they were not happy with this results as their wines were too harsh (even for them). So there you go.

I will comment on the 2010s as I will be at the Domaine tomorrow.

Let me also add that the original structure of the cuverie is intact. They are still using the same old vats though now everything is by gravity and they can control temperature in them.

DISCLAIMER: Despite being very good wines I was never in love with Gouges because I hardly found some that was ready. Or somewhat secondary. Even the 1997s are so behind, it's not even funny. Masochism has to stop somewhere. I think what they are up to is more in line with my taste

PS. You gotta love fb! Posting to show lack of interest! Keep it going buddy!
 
The timing, in terms of going for more refined tannins, could not have been more fortunate at Gouges, given what's going with 2009s in bottle. I tasted quite a few of those on my trip.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Just received my 2009 LSGs - just 3 unfortunately as they ran me $45 a bottle more than the '08s. Do I dare sacrifice one early?
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yes - with me!
 
Gouges style far from dead. Stop.
2010s powerful and pure. Stop.
Gravity instead of pump, it's not anathema to Gouge style. Stop.
Vaucrains ahead of the rest. Stop.
Good luck with allocations. Stop.
 
originally posted by Filippo Mattia Ginanni:

Good luck with allocations. Stop.
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Is Gouges really that highly sought-after in the UK? Or is this in anticipation of the low 2010 volume?

From what I can remember, in previous vintages pretty much every Gouges cuvee will show up in US clearance sales.
 
Anyone tasted any 96s lately? I recently bought a couple of bottles and would be interested in getting some insight on whether to open one or wait. Thanks
 
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