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originally posted by BJ:
Well, I'm definitely more a tertiary guy - probably more in the English vein. But even Nigel seems to think I'm overdoing it.

Bear in mind that at least half of those 92-94 S. Rhones I've been throwing out notes on are from the the Cairanne - Vacqueyras crescent, and everyone seemed to think they sounded cool (at least Prof. Loesberg). I don't think I was over hyping them. Which makes me think esp. 99s and 01s from the area would do as least as well.

And I'm not really a Soumade fan either - those bottles are residual to an earlier time.
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They did sound cool to me. And I would be happy to try them. But I'd ditto Cliff on virtually everything he said. Especially about Raspail Ay. I like them regularly. I think the 01 will go to maybe 15 years. I disagree with Cliff in liking the 07. But the 09, which I just had this week is clearly the best since 01 and the next ager (though I wouldn't bet against 07). I wouldn't keep any of them as long as BJ keeps his Gigos. I remember tasting an 85 Raspail-Ay in 00. It was all there, but it had seen better days. My own are generally down the hatch by that age.
 
originally posted by BJ:
My feeling is that the only wine from that area that is really short haul is Cairanne. I've never had a great older Cairanne (meaning 12 years+).
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remind me to get back to you on this. Must have some lost in the cellar
 
My feeling is that the only wine from that area that is really short haul is Cairanne. I've never had a great older Cairanne (meaning 12 years+).
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That's too bad. Come over and share a glass of 1995 l'Oratoire St. Martin Cuvée Prestige.
 
On aging Cairanne, I had my last bottle of 2000 Alary, Estevenas the other night. It had tasted a point a couple of years ago. This bottle seemed to need another couple of years. I won't make any generalizations. I've tasted my share of over the hill 10 year old Cairannes as well.

Thanks for the link, Matt.
 
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