DC 2009 Red Burgundy Jeebus

originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Oswaldo Costa:
originally posted by Jay Miller:
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by Jay Miller: At last month's blind dinner everyone pegged an '09 de Montille Corton 'Clos de Roi' as an overripe California pinot noir.
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The 2008, however, is stunning.
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Thanks Maureen, that's good to know. Everyone was pretty shocked that a de Montille could taste like that.
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Why wouldn't an Etienne de Montille taste like that?
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I'd like to taste Etienne de Montille!

oh, were you talking about his wine?
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Wouldn't the prix fixe "an" before Etienne, especially to an attorney practicing in the halls of Montezuma, preclude such an understanding?
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Anyway, my main conviction is that this is a vintage a lot of people are going to miss out on because they've decided in advance that slamming it makes them one of the cool kids.
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Could not agree more. In Dec '11, every single prodcuer was laughing at blogs/bloggers/forums playing down the wintage. The conventional wisdom was that it is a vintage that will need a lot of time to put the mass (of fruit) in check with the tannins.

Patience, patience, patience.

[I think I made the same remarks in the Gouges's thread but what the heck and the "stylistic change" is a gravity winery, never heard of spoofulation by gravity, gotta be a first and finally taste Gouges 2010s: tannic and austere as shit...]
 
originally posted by Filippo Mattia Ginanni:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Anyway, my main conviction is that this is a vintage a lot of people are going to miss out on because they've decided in advance that slamming it makes them one of the cool kids.
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Could not agree more. In Dec '11, every single prodcuer was laughing at blogs/bloggers/forums playing down the wintage. The conventional wisdom was that it is a vintage that will need a lot of time to put the mass (of fruit) in check with the tannins.

Patience, patience, patience.
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Yes but there's a good chance I'll be dead by the time that question is answered. Honestly, I'm not sure why I bothered buying any 2005s.

Meanwhile I'm still loving what most 2008s taste like now. A Chevillon Cailles was lovely on Sunday.
 
originally posted by Filippo Mattia Ginanni:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
Anyway, my main conviction is that this is a vintage a lot of people are going to miss out on because they've decided in advance that slamming it makes them one of the cool kids.
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Could not agree more. In Dec '11, every single prodcuer was laughing at blogs/bloggers/forums playing down the wintage. The conventional wisdom was that it is a vintage that will need a lot of time to put the mass (of fruit) in check with the tannins.

Patience, patience, patience.
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sounds right. sounds like sonoma.

so. tell us, which similar vintages have you followed from barrel to beauty.

or are you just pulling this patience shit out of your ass?

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originally posted by fatboy:
so. tell us, which similar vintages have you followed from barrel to beauty.
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I think you already know the answer to that question.

And what's important is that this goes for naysayers as well. I've heard 2009 slammed on account of 1990, which just doesn't work for me at all, having tasted very young 1990s.
 
have you ever heard me slam a vintage? i just waddle away, quietly.

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originally posted by fatboy:i know. i still buy a little gevrey and marsannay, but it's mostly for old times' sake.

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Me too, but it's mostly because in a restricted market, René Bouvier is available at a good price.
 
When it gets hot, fly North. Escaping with 2009 Bourgogne Cotes d'Auxerre from Domaine Bersan. Still got a 2009 bite in the finish, but wonderful red fruit makes this work. Sweet but not smoothed over. And according to an old wives' tale there is a shift in terroir while traveling this far North. And a shift in price.
 
you could answer my question. or you could check the box marked "know nothing wannabe blowhard."

but best not bother, eh?

the history of wine blather is a vast shit stain of dudes who hope that having enough money to get them some ready access to teh hoocho bueno will cover for the fact that they are newbies talking through their arseholes. some of them learn to shut the fuck up and learn, and others go on to become the kind of turds that make winebejerkers and ecumonbob the splendid scenes that they are.

which are you?

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with respect jim, i have ugly memories of the amazingly shit wine i once wasted money on when i listened to your opinions about pinot noir.

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originally posted by fatboy:
with respect jim, i have ugly memories of the amazingly shit wine i once wasted money on when i listened to your opinions about pinot noir.

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Ah, fatboy, you never disappoint.
At least you learned never to listen to me.
Best, Jim
 
what a little weasel you are.

i actually wrote about some of the many chances i gave you, back in the day on therapy. respectfully. as you well remember.

did you think that dropping a few overnoy references here and there and playing everyone's avuncular uncle was going to cover for the fact that when you aren't following the trend you have a spectacular history of hyping fuck awful wine?

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and editing out that comment about respect makes you no less of a weasel.

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