DC 2009 Red Burgundy Jeebus

originally posted by fatboy:
what a little weasel you are.

i actually wrote about some of the many chances i gave you, back in the day on therapy. respectfully. as you well remember.

did you think that dropping a few overnoy references here and there and playing everyone's avuncular uncle was going to cover for the fact that when you aren't following the trend you have a spectacular history of hyping fuck awful wine?

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And so, I have learned again, that responding to you in any fashion, is a poor decision.
And as for the personal shots, kiss my ass.
Best, Jim
 
no need to quote my reply. i've never felt the need to go back and edit where an apology is in order.

otherwise, i think we have a deal. until next time you break it.

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Vintage shmintage.

Maureen gets more generous with her favorite wines as the years improve her. In my days as a Wino, she never opened more than one or two red burgundy wines at a sitting for fear her unwashed and palate-deformed fellows would fail to appreciate their native charms and would neglect to give them sufficient breathing time, in spite of her efforts and exhortations toward explanation and edification. Or something. Though she yearly mentioned doing this type of tasting, which perhaps she did with Cole or her friends from, while the stained-shirt Wino masses were safely absent.

Those were the days.

Anyway, has Gouges purportedly improved again? It seems to happen every few years when someone or another comes away from a cellar visit as a convert. Then, following a price increase, the wines arrive and one or two look good for a year or two while the rest taste like - Gouges wines. Then the good item "closes", usually never to awaken (not to ignore exceptions) as anything other than a member of the same strange family as its bony cellarmates.

The white one its usually a good drink. But Gouges is a puzzling grower. Or has been one - not to prejudge.

But applause for the continued activity of the DC gang.

It continues with the practice of drinking sweet wines before red ones, however. I can't see how the first red wine in such an ordering could show its best side, at least for people not in the practice of tasting large volumes of wine for a living, and even then.

But I guess having a sacrificial first red isn't the end of the world.

By the way, before I go get remedicated, what is it with Remoissenet?

Just asking.

Okay, filled with nostalgia, I must retreat. (Oh, for forward, uncharacteristically structured red burgundy admirers out there - wierd-looking people with no body-image issues - the E. Cornu 2003 Ladoix VV passed my way last night. Tastes like usual but it is a tub of lard structurally, clearly marked by the crazy weather, but of a piece with itself. Not California, obviously, but it is an unusual Ladoix.)
 
originally posted by Mr. Doghead:
In my days as a Wino, she never opened more than one or two red burgundy wines at a sitting
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what a load of crap! But glad to see you here anyway Mr. Doghead!

By the way - only two of the bottles were from my cellar - the rest of the participants each brought a burgundy.

And the auslese didn't show up until we were well into the reds and most of us drank it after.

I think Gouges has been excellent for several years. Of course if one decries the presence of tannin and structure in burgundy (Mr. P., where are you?) then Gouges isn't your thing. But I think they are making beautifully balanced wines there worthy of cellaring.

But I gotta say - the texture of the few 2010s I've had have made the 09s look truly infantile and sloppy in comparison.
 
originally posted by Yule Kim:

Alain Michelot Nuits St. Georges Les St. Georges: Good. Nice stuff.
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Had a bunch of their 11s yesterday, as well as a few 10s and 09s.

Buy.
 
originally posted by maureen:

But I gotta say - the texture of the few 2010s I've had have made the 09s look truly infantile and sloppy in comparison.
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Reading this resurrected thread makes me realize how prescient I am. Totally loving 2010 red burgundies. The unifying theme seems to be the sophisticated structure of most of the ones I've had. Although this vintage should appeal to many, it is especially a "burgundy-lover's vintage."
 
originally posted by maureen:
Reading this resurrected thread makes me realize how prescient I am. Totally loving 2010 red burgundies.
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Maureen, had a few more yesterday. Just brilliant. In fact, now that they are happily closed up, I could appreciate them at *that* level, whereas in Spring and Fall some of them were neither here nor there. Did you know these things had enough acidity to make the geek happy? I have to go back to my barrel notes to see if I had picked up on this minor feature in the first place.

Incidentally, I also tasted a nice range of 2011s. Word has reached me that other boreds are spreading rumours of great resemblance between 2011 and 2004 reds. It's amazing what people will say to get attention on the webz. These were so wonderful - low alcohol, very phenolic ( of floral persuasion ), fresh/dark fruited. I'd go as far as recommending some of them to the Touraine reds lover - right now, as young wines.
 
originally posted by maureen:
Which 2010s did you have? Notes?!
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Notes? you must be confusing me with fatboy. An easy mistake to make.

10s were Mugneret-Gibourg Vosne and Echezeaux, Drouhin Petits-Monts, Ligier-Belair Vosne Clos du Chateau, Hudelot-Noellat Vosne Suchots and Malconsorts, DRC Echezeaux, Clavelier La Combs Brulee and Aux Brulees. The two M-Gs, Drouhin, DRC and Malconsorts were home runs. Suchots v.g. but somewhat unfocused; as is Louis Michel's but it needs to eat up the wood. Can't quite sort out the winemaking with clavelier.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by maureen:
Which 2010s did you have? Notes?!
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Notes? you must be confusing me with fatboy. An easy mistake to make.
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one way to spot the difference is that teh dotster never writes, " thick, rich, and concentrated, it goes on and on in the finish."

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originally posted by .sasha:
originally posted by maureen:
Which 2010s did you have? Notes?!
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Notes? you must be confusing me with fatboy. An easy mistake to make.

10s were Mugneret-Gibourg Vosne and Echezeaux, Drouhin Petits-Monts, Ligier-Belair Vosne Clos du Chateau, Hudelot-Noellat Vosne Suchots and Malconsorts, DRC Echezeaux, Clavelier La Combs Brulee and Aux Brulees. The two M-Gs, Drouhin, DRC and Malconsorts were home runs. Suchots v.g. but somewhat unfocused; as is Louis Michel's but it needs to eat up the wood. Can't quite sort out the winemaking with clavelier.
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Actually these "notes" are fine. And in response to your question above re acidities in 2010s the answer is yes. When i speak of structure, i am speaking as much - in fact maybe more - to the nature and quality of the acids, not just the tannins (altho the tannins are so fine in the red 2010s i have had).

And i am with Keith - i haven't run into a closed 2010 yet.
 
oh, certainly they've closed up, but it's a relative assessment - nothing in the way of 2008s closing up, for example.

with the exception of the drc, I've had the others on more than one occasion and the crazy complexity on display months ago was somewhat muted; so while undeniably delicious, they were so a bit superficially. The Hudelots in their open style would be an exception but there lied a different "problem" in that you were suddenly hitting some borderline primary flavours in midpalate.

but I welcome this current state, whatever you call it - closed up or not - with open arms and feet, because the wines have re-balanced themselves beautifully. There were occasional random bottles ( village Chevillon in early November comes to mind ) which took a good 24 hours to come together (albeit coming together admirably) where the elevated element upon attempted pop'n'pour was neither acidity nor tannin, but in fact alcohol. Not even a whiff of the stuff yesterday.
 
originally posted by .sasha:
oh, certainly they've closed up, but it's a relative assessment - nothing in the way of 2008s closing up, for example.
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try Grivot's Boudots if you want to catch an 08 that shows well right now (and is delicious and is still in the market and relatively "cheap").
 
originally posted by maureen:
originally posted by .sasha:
oh, certainly they've closed up, but it's a relative assessment - nothing in the way of 2008s closing up, for example.
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try Grivot's Boudots if you want to catch an 08 that shows well right now (and is delicious and is still in the market and relatively "cheap").
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silly me, I opened michelot village instead - that was definitely a two-lane closure
 
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