La Bota

Florida Jim

Florida Jim
In an effort to continue my sherry education, I decided to splurge on the following bottles. I had heard and read a number of notes about this producer (although not these specific wines) and concluded that they must do excellent work.
After tasting these wines, I will be far more skeptical of other opinions as I did not care for either of these.

My tastes run to fresher, lighter versions; to wines that are appetizing and charming. As for instance, I recently ate at Nopa and, while waiting for a table, tasted a beautiful Bodegas Hidalgo La Gitana Manzanilla that that fit my criteria and made me wish we would be seated sooner.

But these recent purchases I found heavy-handed and tending toward pasada, in the case of the manzanilla, and amontillado, in the case of the fino. They were aggressive and powerful, and well beyond any sense of charm.

Equipo Navazos, La Bota de Manzanilla #22:
15% alcohol and about $40; smells of roasted (and burnt) nut liquor, alcohol and bread dough; acidic in the mouth with an attack so powerfully (and overwhelmingly) flavored that I catch myself wanting to spit it out; finished with a burn and a sourness I had not anticipated. No hint of salinity or sea air.
Perhaps, if I add an equal quantity of water . . .

Equipo Navazos, La Bota de Fino #24:
15.6% alcohol and about $60; much nicer on the nose than the above wine but tending still toward warm nuts; a bit thin in the mouth (which at this point is a relief) but chunky and in pieces, at times it seems to strain at freshness but eventually devolves into a listless, oxidized, old-fruit quality; finishes in a feeble and somewhat leaden manner.

It appears that I will continue to be a “cheap date.”
Best, Jim
 
With fino and manzanilla, the shipping date is pretty important - if the La Bota wines had been sitting around for some time, then I'm not surprised. Look, I don't import the wines, but I think they're absolutely brilliant.

Most of the time it just doesn't move fast enough, so I prefer drinking them in Jerez. Having written that, I had an excellent La Guita recently, from 375, freshly shipped. I think screwcaps are a good thing for most finos.

Jim, if you want to freshen up the La Bota wines, I highly recommend a non-dosage champagne. CO2, more acidity, no distorting sugar, some autolytic flavours - it works wonders. Gimonnet Oenophile, Tarlant Zéro, etc.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
With fino and manzanilla, the shipping date is pretty important - if the La Bota wines had been sitting around for some time, then I'm not surprised.
The folks who sell them here tend to be big believers in their ability to last and develop in the bottle. I'm not convinced myself, but if it's important to catch them within a certain window of the shipping date, that hasn't been part of the sales pitch.
 
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Yixin:
With fino and manzanilla, the shipping date is pretty important - if the La Bota wines had been sitting around for some time, then I'm not surprised.
The folks who sell them here tend to be big believers in their ability to last and develop in the bottle. I'm not convinced myself, but if it's important to catch them within a certain window of the shipping date, that hasn't been part of the sales pitch.

They do last and develop, but I think into a style which Mr. Cowan doesn't seem to like. If the reference point is La Gitana for manzanilla, then I think it's important to catch the La Bota sherries earlier rather than later.

I personally like the 'filtered stuff' a lot - something I can drink before lunchtime without any hesitation, or while packing wines.
 
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Yixin,
Any chance Cava would work?
Best, Jim

Perhaps, although I don't recall drinking any with a fermentation/lees-driven character and no dosage. I must admit I got this idea from a German winzer who had some lightly effervescent Elbling which had some flor influence (a small foudre which went rogue). It was one of those odd, paradigm-defying wines which was also delicious.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by Florida Jim:
Yixin,
Any chance Cava would work?
Best, Jim

Perhaps, although I don't recall drinking any with a fermentation/lees-driven character and no dosage. I must admit I got this idea from a German winzer who had some lightly effervescent Elbling which had some flor influence (a small foudre which went rogue). It was one of those odd, paradigm-defying wines which was also delicious.

Avinyo makes a non-dosage and also a late release that is on its lees for a while.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Yixin:
With fino and manzanilla, the shipping date is pretty important - if the La Bota wines had been sitting around for some time, then I'm not surprised.
The folks who sell them here tend to be big believers in their ability to last and develop in the bottle. I'm not convinced myself, but if it's important to catch them within a certain window of the shipping date, that hasn't been part of the sales pitch.

They do last and develop, but I think into a style which Mr. Cowan doesn't seem to like. If the reference point is La Gitana for manzanilla, then I think it's important to catch the La Bota sherries earlier rather than later.

I personally like the 'filtered stuff' a lot - something I can drink before lunchtime without any hesitation, or while packing wines.

Well, I don't think anybody yet knows what it means for these to be in bottle for any amount of time.

Like Jim, I haven't loved the "biological" sherries that I've had, with the only multiple experience of the no.18 Fino.

The no.10 Manzanilla Passada has been at times brilliant and at other times innocuous.

The no.17 Palo Cortado is one of the best Sherries I've ever had. Absolutely stunning. ~$100 per 375mL though.
 
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Yixin:
With fino and manzanilla, the shipping date is pretty important - if the La Bota wines had been sitting around for some time, then I'm not surprised.
The folks who sell them here tend to be big believers in their ability to last and develop in the bottle. I'm not convinced myself, but if it's important to catch them within a certain window of the shipping date, that hasn't been part of the sales pitch.

They do last and develop, but I think into a style which Mr. Cowan doesn't seem to like. If the reference point is La Gitana for manzanilla, then I think it's important to catch the La Bota sherries earlier rather than later.

I personally like the 'filtered stuff' a lot - something I can drink before lunchtime without any hesitation, or while packing wines.

Like Jim, I haven't loved the "biological" sherries that I've had, with the only multiple experience of the no.18 Fino.

How do you feel about El Maestro Sierra?

Also unfiltered.
 
originally posted by Levi Dalton:
originally posted by VLM:
originally posted by Yixin:
originally posted by Keith Levenberg:
originally posted by Yixin:
With fino and manzanilla, the shipping date is pretty important - if the La Bota wines had been sitting around for some time, then I'm not surprised.
The folks who sell them here tend to be big believers in their ability to last and develop in the bottle. I'm not convinced myself, but if it's important to catch them within a certain window of the shipping date, that hasn't been part of the sales pitch.

They do last and develop, but I think into a style which Mr. Cowan doesn't seem to like. If the reference point is La Gitana for manzanilla, then I think it's important to catch the La Bota sherries earlier rather than later.

I personally like the 'filtered stuff' a lot - something I can drink before lunchtime without any hesitation, or while packing wines.

Like Jim, I haven't loved the "biological" sherries that I've had, with the only multiple experience of the no.18 Fino.

How do you feel about El Maestro Sierra?

Also unfiltered.

Well, I like them a lot. That being said, I tend to get the Fino sooner after bottling. A lot sooner. Maybe that's the difference, I don't know.

Most of the Maestro Sierra Sherries I drink are the oxidized ones. The Palo Cortado is killer.
 
Sincere 'not-champagne-clone' cava with aging potential (a lot): Recaredo. Really the best producer. All of them without dosage, most based on the xarel-lo grape.

Jim's burning sensation with the manzanilla is surprising to me. I don't find any good dry sherry (and La Bota's are just about the best) 'burning', but rather uplifting.

Oh. And (unless you keep them in sunlight at a high temperature), shelf life is indeed no problem for these very old sherries (much older than usual - 8 years average vs 3 in a fino or manzanilla).
 
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