TN: Three different Loire expressions of Chenin

Tim York

Tim York
Jasnières Les Rosiers 2007 Domaine de la Bellivière, Éric Nicolas Alc.13.5%
About a year ago, I wrote this about its elder brother Jasnières Les Rosiers 2002 This was a lovely example of dry Loire chenin, which revealed new facets as the wine aired and warmed. Colour was medium/deep yellow. The nose was expressive with mineral and white fruit (e.g.peach) to the fore and a distant background of wax, spice and quince. The palate was subjectively dry, superbly focussed, long, medium/light bodied and aromatically expressive with moreish crisp acidity, perhaps a touch of RS (6g/l), lively fruit and minerals, a generously burnished and honeyed undertow, which is more frequent in demi-sec than dry, and a saline hint giving structure to the finish. Lovely; 17/20++

This 2007 was very similar but somewhat fuller and more primary in its fruit with at present more obvious RS and even crisper acidity. Some of the complexity, e.g. the honeyed notes, has yet to develop but in compensation there was a vibrancy and focus which I don’t recall on the older wine; also 17/20++

Vouvray sec 1998 Domaine du Clos Naudin, Philippe Foreau Alc.13%. 1998 was a difficult vintage and I believe that Foreau only made this dry cuvée with no demi-sec and moelleux. The wine went through a long closed period. The colour is now quite deep yellow. The nose showed nice notes of apple pie, flinty minerals and a touch of wax. The palate was bone dry, crystalline, flavourful and brightly focussed with aromas similar to the nose, medium body, some depth and good length with only residual raw greenness from the difficult growing and harvesting season; 16.5/20.

Savennières Cuvée Spéciale 1995 Ch“teau d’Epiré Alc.13% was a very deep yellow and showed a strong nuttiness at first which suggested fairly advanced oxidisation, although with a lot of disjointed good elements lying half concealed underneath; we left about two-thirds of the bottle to use in cooking.

I was therefore surprised that, after three or four days in the fridge, the remainder was much better focussed with the oxidative notes receded into an acceptable element of complexity behind the good elements. There were complex aromas of quince, wax, acacia, gentle nuts and minerals on the medium/full, dry and quite round palate with some residual primary fruit, typical Loire minerality and enough smooth acidity for freshness and balance (the 96s showed crisper acidity); this seems to demonstrate that old style Savennières needs decanting even in its 17th year; 13.5/20 at first; 16.5/20+ on re-opening.
 
originally posted by Tim York:
Savennières Cuvée Spéciale 1995 Ch“teau d’Epiré Alc.13% was a very deep yellow and showed a strong nuttiness at first which suggested fairly advanced oxidisation, although with a lot of disjointed good elements lying half concealed underneath; we left about two-thirds of the bottle to use in cooking.

I was therefore surprised that, after three or four days in the fridge, the remainder was much better focussed with the oxidative notes receded into an acceptable element of complexity behind the good elements. There were complex aromas of quince, wax, acacia, gentle nuts and minerals on the medium/full, dry and quite round palate with some residual primary fruit, typical Loire minerality and enough smooth acidity for freshness and balance (the 96s showed crisper acidity); this seems to demonstrate that old style Savennières needs decanting even in its 17th year; 13.5/20 at first; 16.5/20+ on re-opening.

This is not uncommon in my experience, old Savennieres can be pretty tough and sometimes you have to just wait them out. The '95 d'Epire has always been kind of off with hollow apple flavors (at least the bottles that have come my way) it's great to hear it is coming around.
 
originally posted by Kay Bixler:


This is not uncommon in my experience, old Savennieres can be pretty tough and sometimes you have to just wait them out. The '95 d'Epire has always been kind of off with hollow apple flavors (at least the bottles that have come my way) it's great to hear it is coming around.

This bottle of Epiré Cuvée Spéciale came from a purchase at the estate in the late 90s of some 3 or 4 dozen assorted Savennières, including basics from 90, 95 and 96, Spéciales from 95 and 96 and Moelleux 96.

Frankly this has turned out to have one of my most disappointing purchases ever. In their first flush of youth at the estate they tasted OK as did some 97 tank samples, which with hindsight I was glad not to have bought.

I gave the bottles ageing as recommended by the owner. At best the basic Savennières, even the 90s, were dull and at worst badly oxidised; they have all gone, some down the drain. The Spéciales were similarly disappointing until about three or four years ago when I had a very good 96 and, since then, bottles of 96 have been at a similar level and the 95s good like this one though less lively and none of either vintage has been really exciting like successful Coulée de Serrant.

The moelleux have also been dull up to now.

I can't help wondering whether I opened the basics too soon and showed too much impatience with the apparent oxidation of some bottles. I will never know but will certainly give the remaining few bottles a lot more air time before drinking.
 
originally posted by Yixin:
Successful Coulée de Serrant is a pretty high bar, in my view.

Indeed it is, Yixin.

When I was looking for an "exciting" yardstick at Savennières, I had difficulty in coming up with another. Morgat and Laureau are promising and I have enjoyed Ch“teau de Chamboureau Cuvée de L'Avant under Soulez more than Epiré but, IMO, there is no constellation of superb producers as at Vouvray/Montlouis like Huet (was), Foreau, Chidaine and Blot.
 
originally posted by Tim York:
originally posted by Yixin:
Successful Coulée de Serrant is a pretty high bar, in my view.

Indeed it is, Yixin.

When I was looking for an "exciting" yardstick at Savennières, I had difficulty in coming up with another. Morgat and Laureau are promising and I have enjoyed Ch“teau de Chamboureau Cuvée de L'Avant under Soulez more than Epiré but, IMO, there is no constellation of superb producers as at Vouvray/Montlouis like Huet (was), Foreau, Chidaine and Blot.

"was' is a bit premature. the sky may yet fall, but for us consumers, not before sunrise.

ice cream cones to the forehead when appropriate, but let's hold off until the proof is in the 'pudding'.
 
originally posted by Tim York:
I can't help wondering whether I opened the basics too soon and showed too much impatience with the apparent oxidation of some bottles.

We've all been there.

And yeah, '96 Coulee de Serrant is a pretty high bar. I've never had a better wine from Savennieres. But the '96 d'Epire Speciale is no slouch. And my experience is identical to yours; it closed down around age three, opened up again at 9 or so and drinks well to this day. It's not otherworldly like CdS but good wine for sure.
 
Riding this thread's coattails to mention a Leroy Rouliers (2008) we opened the other night that just kicked ass - an expression I steer clear of 99% of the time. Minerally, sour, perhaps some RS, but if so, so overwhelmed by acidity as to seem completely dry and sour, intense; did I say minerally? Unusual style, made an indelible impression. Give it an hour or two decant, at least.
 
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