Sharon Bowman
Sharon Bowman
Just don't take away our zeugma.
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Which wine goes with...?
- Thread starter Jeff Grossman
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Just don't take away our zeugma.
Oswaldo Costa
Oswaldo Costa
Or enema.
Dan Donahue
Dan Donahue
Certainly avoiding the phrase "begging the question" is probably the better part of valor, but a casual reading of the original post as: "LdH goes with ham, because the bottle I drank went with ham" is close to the classical use of the phrase.
Jeff Grossman
Jeff Grossman
Jeez Louise, boys and girls, it was a rhetorical flourish. I was just reporting on the good bottle.
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I don't get it.
originally posted by Jeff Grossman:
Pete, do you simply click every 'Reply' button you see?originally posted by Peter Creasey:
Good exercise!
*like*
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originally posted by .sasha:
I don't get it.
I still don't get it, Jeff.
Jonathan Loesberg
Jonathan Loesberg
OK, everybody, to beg the question is a term in debate or argument--and really only there--for taking a position that covertly assumes the answer to the issue in question. Suppose, for instance, two people were debating whether computers could ever have intelligence and one of the debaters said, "let's presume that for whatever reason, nature was constructed so that only carbon based life forms could have intelligence," he would be begging the question. What Jeff did was supply an answer to his own riddle. Pete's explanation of his meaning comes close enough to the real meaning to entail that probably Rahsaan and I were slightly out of line in giving him grie, but it still is technically a misuse, and worse, doesn't attend to the flavor of the cliché.
As a mnemonic, go back to the original version "to beggar the question," which means, metaphorically, to impoverish the argument, which is what one does by begging the question. Only if you are claiming that someone is ruining a perfectly good argument by assuming what is in question, thus impoverishing the argument or begarring the question, is he begging the question.
And now I officially give up on this bit of pedantry.
As a mnemonic, go back to the original version "to beggar the question," which means, metaphorically, to impoverish the argument, which is what one does by begging the question. Only if you are claiming that someone is ruining a perfectly good argument by assuming what is in question, thus impoverishing the argument or begarring the question, is he begging the question.
And now I officially give up on this bit of pedantry.